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Proposal 141
Proposer: Pirate Haddock
Proposed: Mon, 06 Mar 95 07:01:55 -2400
Proposal: Blistering barnacles! By the bloodstained
bracelets of Cuthbert
Calculus, you mangy citizens old goat of an emperor will be eviscerated
by the bloodthirsty crew of the dread Bounty. Beware! For you
cannibalistic caterpillars and troglodytic trampy sea-gherkins will be
walking the plank and visting Davey Jones' locker!
TPK may judge a pirate's oath to be bloodcurdling. If TPK finds the oath
bloodcurdling, that pirate advances in rank by 1, gains a ship strength
of 1, gains 500 po8, and becomes a notorious pirate. Similarly, that
mangy maggot TIE may judge a foul citizen's praise to be noteworthy. If
TIE so judges, that festering open wound that is a citizen will advance
in rank by 1, gain a ship strength of 1, gain 500 po8, and become famous.
Every 10 proposals, TPK and TIE must find one oath bloodcurdling and one
praise noteworthy.
Word of the King: Rejected. Although your choice of
rewards for a bloodcurdling oath was itself questionable (as it
contains two potentially conflicting clauses), you really lost it when
you tried to dictate what TIE or TPK must do, going against a
longstanding Fascist tradition. And how come these Oaths are all
sounding the same? Did you write a computer program to generate them?
Proposal 142
Proposer: Pirate Tivol
Proposed: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 16:56:04 EST
Proposal: Look out all you unbelievably contemptable
Citizens, lest we slash your throats
and drain you of your blood, setting the viscous red liquid into jars set out
in the sun so it will then clot and solidify as it spoils, forming small lumps
that resemble the thick, casein-rich part of coagulated milk!
I hereby propose, oh great Pirate King, that The Entrepreneurial Pigeon
Breeder be allowed to serve as a source for official communications from any
Game or other sort of place from which his Pigeons return, even those Pigeons
which he lets fly randomly.
Word of the King: Accepted with modification as rule
98. Your pigeons will return official communications from any other
Fascist Game so long as THS-8 once receives an OK of that from TIE or
THS of the corresponding game; they will be official communications
from any other sort of place, so long as that place is already
independently known to this game to exist. And that is indeed a
bloodcurdling Oath; in fact, since I can't think of any Oath that
could possibly be more bloodcurdling, I'll award you the 500 Po8 (but
not all that other stuff) that Haddock suggests, despite my last
rejection. But the rest of you Pirates best not think this trick will
work again!
Plea for Guidance 143
Pleader: Citizen Death
Pleaded: Tue, 07 Mar 95 01:19:14 EST
Plea: O, most put upon Emperor, though The Evil
Pirat King has
attempted to be sneaky and circuitous in limiting you power, has he not
overlooked the clause in Rule 2 which will allow you to modify or
remove a rule
*at any time* and the fact that, though we Citizens submit proposals for new
rules, the only reason that those Proposals ever become law is that
the Imperial
(or Royal for those dirty scum) whim makes it so? Why would you need a
proposal
to be made to expunge the dastardly clause of Rule 95 that prevents you from
posting rules made by deciding proposals? Enlighten me, please, O source of
infinite Wisdom.
Comments of the King: Har! My interpretation of the
way things have always worked in these here Fascist games is that
passing or rejecting proposals into law is a separate activity from
the ability of rulers to make new laws or change laws on their own
initiative, and therefore possibly subject to differing
regulations. But, blazing blue thunderbolts of Neptune, this Plea for
Guidance is unfortunately up to that craven, ghostly Emperor to decide!
Decision: Unfortunately We must agree that issuing
proclamations (Rule 2)
is distinct from passing and rejecting proposals (which doesn't actually
appear to have a rule). [THS - I believe Rule 1 covers the latter
activity. This decision adds a clause to Rule 2.]
Proposal 144
Proposer: Pirate Anarchy
Proposed: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:14:30 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Yo Ho! The wind she blows! As Boarding
another Ship is a particularly Piratical thing to
do, unlike the foul Citizens who try to keep their distance and use
cannons, Pirates gain a +2 bonus to their die roll for the purposes of
Closing attempts. Also, if a ship is equipped with Grappling Hooks, which
are available for the small price of 300 Po8 in either Atlantis or Pirate
Cove, all Closing attempts for that ship shall be at an additional +2
Bonus.
Word of the King: Accepted as Rule 99.
Proposal 145
Proposer: Citizen Donagel
Proposed: Tue, 07 Mar 95 21:34:11 -2400
Proposal: Oh Mighty Emperor, I, Donagel of the GSF
Emperor's Servant's, have been
lossed for too long. After the villianous Pirates defeated me, I lossed
all sense of self and wandered aimlessly. I was brought back to my
senses by a a native girl who kept me safe from the pirates.
She tell me of a secret route known only to her shaman and he gave
it to me on his death bed. He said that it will lead me to the Isle of
the dead, but only a skift can take it. The path lies off the shore of
the Near Azores. I pray that this magial path will lead to your
restoration.
Decision: Rejected.
Comments: Since this Rule cannot be enacted while We are Dead,
it would be ineffective in restoring Us from the Dead.
Proposal 146
Proposer: Citizen Donagel
Proposed: Tue, 07 Mar 95 21:47:59 -2400
Proposal: Oh Mighty Emperor!!
Though this may seem immodest, and perhaps even presumptuous, but since
the Floating Palace has been sunk, I propose that The City of Atlantis be
chosen as the captial of your Empire. Already we are preparing a Royal
Dwelling for you upon your return from the Isle of the Dead. The money
for this has been graciously donated by the average citizens themselves.
The honor would be great and labor would be of love.
Donagel, Mayor of Atlantis, GSF Emperor's Servant
Decision: Accepted, adoption delayed by Rule 95.
Comments: That's all very nice, assuming We ever
return from the Dead.
Proposal 147
Proposer: Citizen Alexandre
Proposed: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:53:34 -0500 (EST)
Proposal: Oh Bauble of the Heavens, spangle of the
universe in whose divinely
descended wisdom we trust as though it, Athena like, had sprung fully
formed from the head of Zeus, I have a thought, which though it pales
in comparison to the mighty wit-storms which daily blow through your
vast intellect, may still be worthy of your consideration.
The current crises causes me to reflect that there is no chain of command
in fair Atlantis, leaving us vulnerable to such dire straights as these
in which we now find ourselves. Therefore, I propose that when
such a situation strikes, the citizens of Atlantis shall be able to seek
guidance from the Oracle at Atlantis.
The Oracle will make a pronouncement concerning each proposal which has
been accepted by the deceased Emperor. On a roll of 1,2 or 3 on a single
six sided die, the Oracle will choose to pass on the wisdom of the deceased
Emperor in a form which we poor citizens can comprehend, and such a proposal
becomes law immediately rather than delayed. However, should the roll be
a 6, the signs are misinterpreted and instead the last rejected proposal
becomes law. Upon the Emperors return to his rightful state, all
accepted proposals immediately take effect and any mistaken proposals are
immediately removed from the rules.
[THS note - Does this proposal "relate purely to the Municipality of
Atlantis" and therefore come under the jurisdiction of the Mayor? Who
decides in ambiguous cases?]
Remarks of TIE: I think this proposal would be under
the jurisdiction of the Mayor.
I would suggest that THS decide in ambiguous cases unless/until someone
proposes otherwise.
Mayor's Action: Accepted with modification as Rule
100.
It seems to me doubtful that such an esteemed personage as the Oracle of
Atlantis "would choose to pass on the wisdom" of the Emperor. Rather he
would pass it on immediately.
But you are right, since the Oracle of Atlantis can divine the wisdom of
the Deceased Emperor, he should be used in this time of crisis.
However,the Oracle would know if he passed on a proposal that was
already rejected before! Knowing that he had read the signs in error, he
being of great wisdom, would refer the matter to a man who the Emperor
trusts. [THS note -- Namely, the mayor. For details, see the posted rule.]
Proposal 148
Proposer: Citizen Toejam
Proposed: Thu, 09 Mar 95 15:28:22 -500
Proposal: Oh most honorable emperor, may the light
of the heavens shower down upon you, and
release you from your plight, that we may
join together with you, in your imminent
vengeance upon the cowardly pirates.
Your most ingenious royal engineers have
proven themselves worthy once again.
Their newest development, the sextant, an
object purchaseable in Atlantis for 50
pieces of 8, shall make navigation much
easier, and faster. A captain owning a
sextant shall be able to reach a destination
faster, with every 2 proposals counting as
3 for purposes of time to reach a location.
These instruments are very fragile, however,
and any sextant on a ship involved in combat
shall stand a 4 in 6 chance of breaking.
Oracle Says: I'm not getting any vibes on this
one. Over to you, Mayor. [by rule 100 - THS]
Mayor's Action: Rule is accepted as stated [becomes
Rule 103 -- THS], except
that such a fragile instrument as
a sextant can only be made in Atantis, Makal, Sakal, Takal, or the
near Azores.
Plea for Guidance 149
Pleader: Citizen Toejam
Pleaded: Thu, 09 Mar 95 15:32:46 -500
Plea: Does a player count as a colonist for the
purposes of establishing a colony? Can
one have 24 colonists/marines, land
somewhere, and wait the requisite 5 proposals
and still have the colony be established?
Decision: No, a Player does not count as a
Colonist. [Affects Rule 43. - THS]
Proposal 150
Proposer: Pirate Haddock
Proposed: Fri, 10 Mar 95 03:07:15 -2400
Proposal: Harrr! Ye scurvy-eyed dipsy doggies of
citizens and your vile
stool mongering ectoplasmic maniacal vagabond of an emperor had better
hear this! The dread crew of the BOUNTY shall plunder your tribes of
their tripes, by titan Tryphon Triton's trident!! Billions of bilious
blue blistering barnacles in a thundering thyphoon!! May the storm winds
of the south shred your sails and dance the sailor's hornpipe on ye
maggoty mangy mackerels!
Methinks that rule 15 makes it too hard to win this game! I propose that
instead, to have Won, a player must have 2,000 po8 and have become
notorious (if a pirate) or famous (if a landlubbing scoundrel of a
citizen). Money is_ everything after all, isn't it, oh dread TPK?
Word of the King: Rejected. Right now, we don't even
have a way to become the Exalted Winner, so I'm not about to go
monkeying with the only other rule defining the goal of this game; and
besides, Pirate Kings like monuments with foul
inscriptions celebrating their evil deeds. Finally, you still seem
confused about what Notorious is: it's a rank, that comes just above
Pirate Captain.
Proposal 151
Proposer: Citizen Donagel
Proposed: Tue, 07 Mar 95 21:43:30 -2400
Proposal:
Oh mighty Emperor!
In order to defend the jewel of the Empire, I the Mayor of Atlantis,
propose the following:
That a Atlantean Navy be used.. Ths Home defence force will include 3
War galleys and a fortified Harbor. The Naval forces are not allowed to
leave the waters of Atlantis, and if involved in combat will
automatically join forces with all ships of all colors presently located
in the port of Atlantis.
I further would like to authorize the building of Militia forces.
This force, though not as valorous as the Royal Marines, will consist of
every able body man. I must admit that this is not my idea, but rather
that the citizens are alredy chomping at the bit to arm themselves
against the villians who sent you down.
These stern measures are for the stern times we find ourselves in.
Donagel, Mayor of Atlantis, of the GSF Emperor's Servant
Oracle Says: Whoa! That crystal ball is cloudy! And
since the Mayor is by law prevented from deciding on proposals he has
made himself, I guess you psychedelic Citizens are just going to have
to wait on this one until TIE is busted loose from the Spirit World. FunkY!
Special Report 152
Reporter: Pirate Anarchy
Reported: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:26:58 +0000 (GMT)
Report:
Deep in the endless oceans did we finally encounter the thing that had
for so long plagued our nightmares, the great Serpent of legend; more
than three times the length of our mighty vessel did it measure in
length, its cavernous mouth filled with row upon row of razor-sharp
teeth, and great fountains of water erupted at the lash of its massive
tail. Our weapons bounced off its hide harmlessly, it seemed to laugh at
us with its cold flickering red eyes. Then it struck, its head swooping
down with impossible speed, devouring one of our brave crew. We knew
then that we could not prevail against the beast's awesome power, that
only a legendary weapon could possibly penetrate its thick scales. Though
it pains me to admit it, we fled on the wings of the wind pursued by the
dread monster for full three days and nights, until, tired of its sport,
it paused one final time to regard us with its unblinking, malevolent
gaze before diving beneath the waves in a thunderous explosion of water.
We knew in our hearts, though, that someday would come a reckoning...
Game effects: The Sea Serpent will have a 1 in 6 chance of appearing
midway during the voyage every time a ship(not life raft) embarks on a
voyage of length greater than or equal to 15. It cannot be defeated by
normal combat, only a legendary weapon will slay the beast, thus the
normal option is flight. Every proposal following 1 die is rolled; on a 1
or 2 the serpent eats 1 die's worth of Crew, and sinks the ship if there
aren't any crew left; on a 3 the ship moves one distance unit closer to
its destination, on a 4 it moves two distance units closer to its
destination, on a 5 it moves 3 distance units. On a 6 however the Serpent
will simply swim away. Anyone who manages to defeat the serpent gains 2
levels of Bravery and a 500 Po8 bounty.
The Red Dragon continues its voyage of discovery... er... well it would
be a voyage of discovery if we didn't keep on going in circles and end up
back where we started. Now WHICH OF YE FOUL SEA-DOGS HAS THE STAR CHARTS?
I'll keel-haul the lot of ye if we run into that damn Serpent again! Look
sharp, mateys... oh, ENOUGH of this exploration stuff. We're sailing to
Takal for some good, wholesome plunder! Beware the Red Dragon ye filthy
Citizens! Har! Har!
Word of the King: I believe your Report, Pirate
Anarchy, and award you the prescribed benefits. The only minor
modifications to your game effects, which become Rule 104, is that if
a Player facing the Serpent chooses to fight, s/he must conduct combat
as against a ship of strength 12, although without legendary weapons
victory only means that the Serpent swims away, not that it is
defeated. A tie or a loss means that the player's ship is sunk. Also,
the Serpent automatically swims away when the ship reaches within 5
distance units of land, as it prefers the deeper waters of the open
ocean. You, Anarchy, are naturally the first to face the Serpent under
the terms you have described, fleeing from it toward Takal.
Proposal 153
Proposer: Pirate Dawn
Proposed: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:17:35 +0100 (MET)
Proposal: Hear me ya, filthy atlantean citizen's,
alway ya're runin'
from a good honest fight, never lookin' where ya the good part of the
battle is, alway keepin' and eye out for a way to flee, i spit on
you, but not always ya can flee.
The TPK and the TIE can call out for the great pirate and atlantean
battle at any time they see fit.
if that happens every pirate and citizen must stop with every action
they are doing the and return to their homeplace. Every ship returning
to its homeport will be enlisted in a battlefleet. a battle fleet is
exactly the same as a squadron, except that the color of the ship
doesn't matter and that the leader of the battlefleet always the
ship of the TPK for pirates and that of the TIE for citizens, or the
ship they are occupying. If the TPK or the TIE have gathered enough
ships in their oppinion they will procceed to the battle water with
the battlefleet. when both fleets arrive there the battle will begin
The victor of this battle will be the only ruler of the game.
that means that if the pirates win all proposals will be decisided
by the TPK and if the atlanteans win by TIE, until the next great-
battle. if one side does not appear the other side has won automaticly
Word of the King: Rejected. Squadrons don't have to
all be the same color anymore, so you can organize a big battlefleet
whenever you'd like, within the existing rules. Crush those scurvy
Citizens!
Proposal 154
Proposer: Citizen Andre Engels
Proposed: Wed, 15 Mar 95 13:04:07 MET
Proposal: I think it's a good thing to change Rule
22. There is no reason to give
boundaries to the number of Settlers, Marines or Buccaneers that can be
provided at once. Therefore I propose that part (1)-(3) of this Rule be
replaced by:
Every time a Citizen's ship docks at Makal, a Pirate's ship docks at the
Pirate Cove, or any ship docks at a colony controlled by the appropriate
power that has been in operation for 15 proposals, that Player can
load any number of Settlers and Marines/Buccaneers for free. However, the
number of Marines/Buccaneers can never grow beyond 15 this way.
Oracle Says: I am getting sleepy ... sleepy... in my
dreams I am picking up emanations from the lost spirit of TIE... He
desires us to accept this proposal... He is filled with a longing to
have no new rules... Rule 22 shall be amended.
Plea for Guidance 155
Pleader: Citizen Alexandre
Pleaded: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:09:31 -0500 (EST)
Plea: Does the Oracle at Atlantis have any comment to
make on rules which
passed prior to the discovery of the Oracle but after the death of
the Emperor?
Decision: As proposals are not retroactive, rules which passed
prior to the discovery of the Oracle are not affected by the
Oracle's pronouncements.
Plea for Guidance 156
Pleader: Pirate Anarchy
Pleaded: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:33:39 +0000 (GMT)
Plea: Now that the Super Coop III has been sunk by those
vile Imperials, we need somewhere to house the Pigeons. I hereby
volunteer to be the new Entrepreneurial Pigeon Breeder, either
temporarily or until Tivol gets his ship sorted out.
Word of the King: The reports of Tivol's demise were
greatly exaggerated, so he'll be continuing as EPB.
Proposal 157
Proposer: Pirate Anarchy
Proposed: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:33:39 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Vile lackeys who continue to worship the
dead Emperor! Fear the
Red Dragon, for our hearty buccaneers shall carry out what both you and
we wish; namely your reunion with that corrupt, overweight (well
underweight now) toad. You'll all walk the plank, fools! Har! Har!
The game is being unnecessarily slowed down by the need to wait for too
many decisions. I therefore propose that a proposal can be officially
postponed if the person responsible for judging it has not yet responded
with a judgement and judgements have been received for one or more
higher-numbered proposals. There is no rule which states that TPK and TIE
must judge proposals in numerical order. THS can renumber the proposals
if he likes.
Word of the King: Accepted! Modifies Rule
1. Excellent proposal, it
should help with exactly the kind of situation we've been experiencing
lately. For this, together with the fine Pirate Oath, I award you the
body part of your choice (or you may decline if you wish). Just let
THS know. The proposals will be renumbered if they are rearranged, to
keep time linear for other game purposes.
Proposal 158
Proposer: Citizen Toejam
Proposed: Wed Mar 15 14:51
Proposal: Oh great Emperor, for whom there are not
sufficient flatteries:
I propose to modify rule 34, such that players gain +1 to their
die roll for every 5 Marines or Buccaneers. There's something to be
said for volume. I also request the removal of the word "Hostile" from
the last paragraph of the rule, as there exists the possibility for
non-hostile natives in lands.
Oracle Says: The spirits have favored me with a
simple message from the spectre of TIE: "Numbers count." I take this
to mean that the proposal is accepted. [Modifies Rule 34. - THS]
Proposal 159
Proposer: Citizen Donagel
Proposed: Mon, 13 Mar 95 23:33:58 -2400
Proposal: Oh Mighty Emperor!
Since the piratical scourge infest our seas, I, as Mayor of Atlantis,
would like to propose that money be taken out of the treasury and offered
as a reward to any one who sinks a pirate ship or captures(and brings
back) a pirate.
The reward should be a 700 coins for sinking a ship, and 1000 coins for
the capture and return of a pirate captain(player captain).
This allows us to reward the efforts of your loyal subjects, and also
gives money for ship building to the brave souls who fight our war.
Oracle Says: With the aid of mood-altering
substances, I have communed with the One True TIE, who decrees
acceptance of this proposal, commanding "Go forth and Sink the
Piratical Scum!" [Modifies Rule 25. - THS]
Proposal 160
Proposer: Pirate Haddock
Proposed: Fri, 10 Mar 95 18:57:56 -2400
Proposal: Die, you foul landlubbing scummy
citizens. You
and yer emperor
will rue the day they came across the Bounty! We'll feed yer twitching
remains to the many pigeons flying about. Harrrr!
A player may go searching for undersea treasure. This action takes 10
proposals (not that player's proposals, but 10 total proposals made by
anyone). A player must be at sea to this, that is must not be docked
anywhere. The player has a 1/3 chance of discovering treasure worth at
least 300 po8. The player has a 1/6 chance of sighting a mermaid
underwater, in which case that player must give that mermaid 400 po8 if
that player has them. Sighting a mermaid will make a pirate notorious and
a citizen famous (because of all the tales they will tell about it).
Word of the King: Deferred. I basically like this
proposal, but you need to get straight what a Notorious Pirate
is. Feel free to resubmit. Also, what would it mean for a citizen to
be Famous?
Proposal 161
Proposer: Citizen Slakko
Proposed: Tue Apr 4 21:16
Proposal: Oh Great Emperor who wishes to see a great
Empire flourish,
I propose that people who create extra bounties for the empire, through the
development of new colonies, shall be rewarded for their efforts. Once a
player
has established a colony, 200 Po8 are made available in Atlantis, to be
collected on that player's return to the home town. Further, the colony may
produce a single product, at the coloniser's discretion, which can be sold
for double the initial value on return to Atlantis or Makal.
Oracle Says: The message from TIE is "to go fourth
and take the product," which seems pretty positive (?), so I believe this
is accepted. [As rule 105; but it's not clear how the initial value of
a new commodity is determined. -- THS]
Proposal 162
Proposer: Citizen Napoleon Bonaparte
Proposed: Thu Apr 6 15:28
Proposal: If all the people believe so, the emperor
may be declared insane, and removed from office placing the next
highest person Emperor.
Oracle Says: "IxNay, at'swhay ongwray ithway insane
emperors? And owhay is ethay extnay ighesthay ersonpay, anyway?" Rejected.
Proposal 163
Proposer: Citizen Donagel
Proposed: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 15:14:32 -0500 (EST)
Proposal: Oh Mighty Emperor!
Since Atlantis is now the Captial of your Empire, I propose that all the
ammentities formerly allowed at the Floating Palace, be allowed at Atlantis.
Specfifically, That marines,cannons and Settlers be available for ships
docked at the port of Atlantis.
Donagel, Mayor of Atlantis, GSF Emperor's Servant
[THS Note - I am not aware of any references to the Floating Palace in
the current set of rules.]
Oracle Says: The emperor's spirit calls to me across
the gulf... he says the floating palace has been purged from the laws
of the land already, just as he himself has been purged from the
land. Rejected. [Bringing on the Hurricane. - THS]
Proposal 164
Proposer: Citizen Toejam
Proposed: Wed, 15 Mar 95 14:57:53 -500
Proposal: Oh mighty emperor, may the Pirate King find
the roaches he eats laced
with arsenic:
I propose to modify rule 41. Currently, since goods can be traded in any land,
then the governor of a given land shall be awarded 10% of all revenues made by
its markets in tax revenue.
Toejam
Oracle Says: The patriotic soul of the emperor, still
throbbing in the underworld, cries "No taxation without
representation! And there's no trade occurring, anyway, so we better
not do anything to discourage it." Rejected.
Proposal 165
Proposer: Citizen Andre Engels
Proposed: Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:09:46 METDST
Proposal: Hail to the great emperor!
That your ruleset be divided into sections, to make it better readable. Each
section will contain those rules dealing with one aspect of the game. If a
new Rule is proposed, the proposer may mention the section it is to be placed
in. If no section is given, this is up to THS. New sections can be created,
old ones removed, or rules placed in another section, by proposal, or by
decision from TIE or THS.
THS is responsible to create the sections upon acceptance of the above rule.
If he is afraid that is too much work (which I can well imagine), I volunteer
to do this job in his place.
Oracle Says: Last night I dreamt I walked under the
great canopy of the night sky, littered with stars. The spirit of TIE
joined me, and we walked together for a time. He said, "The Laws of my
Empire have become as Numerous as the Stars in the Sky. Who could
divide them into Constellations? That Citizen would be Valorous." I
feel this proposal is Accepted.
[THS note:
To enter the Rules Division contest, send me email with the proposed
titles of the sections and the numbers of the rules to go in each
section. Note that you also need to add a rule corresponding to the
provisions in this proposal for the treatment of new proposals and the
creation of new sections. (Such a rule didn't yet make sense when the
rules weren't in sections.)
Andre's submission was judged first, in honor of his
making this proposal; but it had some major drawbacks, so the contest is
opened to all. The first acceptable division will earn one level
of Bravery. THS's decision on submissions is final; after all, he has
to deal with the adopted method of splitting the rules for the rest of
the game. Which might be a long time as there's no way to win right now.]
Proposal 166
Proposer: Pirate Haddock
Proposed: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:16:38 EST
Proposal: Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum, ye'll be feeling me wrath ye citizen
scum! By fire and water and mighty thunder, we maim and break and tear
asunder!
All non-money valuables (lumber, silk, etc) shall be known as wares. A
pirate who plunders wares shall be known as a ware pirate. If a ware pirate
has not plundered for 20 proposals, he will have gone soft. Soft ware
pirates will not be tolerated!
Word of the King: Accepted as Rule 106. Yo ho, this
proposal has struck me pirate's funny bone! (I like the rhymes,
too. 50 Po8 for Haddock.) For the
purposes of this rule, Treasure shall be considered a
money-valuable. So acquiring treasure doesn't turn you into a Ware
Pirate, but everything else does. The penalty for a Soft Ware Pirate
may either be legislated, or TPK will choose the first time a Ware
Pirate goes Soft. (Bwa-hah-hah-ha!)
Proposal 167
Proposer: Citizen Donagel
Proposed: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:07:42 -0500
Proposal: Oh mighty Emperor!
Since in these troubled times, all voices and efforts should be striving to
overthrow the Pirates, I propose that the Mayoral elections be indefinately
postponed until you return from the land of the living. Failing this,
mayhaps we should extend the length of the Mayor to 200 proposals(effective
immeadiatly) so that sound policies can be continued.
Donagel of the GSF Emperor's Servant
Oracle Says: I'm getting bad vibes on this one. The
emperor feels the elections aren't bothering anyone -- in fact no
one's even noticing. Rejected.
Proposal 168
Proposer: Citizen Napoleon Bonaparte
Proposed: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:40:01 -0700
Proposal: If a pirate is caught he should be beheaded
without trial.
Oracle Says: Good, good, good vibrations... the
Emperor's spirit is not inclined to be merciful to Pirate
scum. Accepted as Rule 107.
Proposal 169
Proposer: Citizen Toejam
Proposed: Mon, 10 Apr 95 10:35:57 -0400
Proposal: Dear and glorious emperor, whose death
weighs heavily upon us like a, um,
2-ton...heavy thing:
Players may, with the use of non-combatant colonists (no buccaneers or
marines), attempt to convert natives to the player's cause. A player gets
+1 to their die roll for every 5 colonists being used to convert. With
friendly natives, a single 6-sided die is rolled, and on a roll of 1,
the natives become hostile for that player only, and execute the colonists.
On a 2 or 3, no natives are converted. For every number above 3, that
many natives are converted. If the natives were already hostile, then the
colonists are executed on a 1-3, no effect on a 4 or 5, and for every
number above 5, a native is converted, and the natives become non-hostile
toward that player only.
Oracle Says: A crystal clear message on this one,
like a telegram from the dead:
Accepted. [as Rule 108]
Comments: Someone had better start discovering lands and finding
natives if these rules are going to be useful.
Proposal 170
Proposer: Pirate Anarchy
Proposed: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 17:58:33 +0100 (BST)
Proposal: Yo Ho! The Wind she blows!
Clarifications of Combat Rules (and a use
for Bravery)
If a ship is attacked, the owner MUST submit his intentions to
fight or flee within 20 Proposals of notification. If he/she fails to do
this, he/she has to fight with a -2 penalty to his die roll while the crew
argue what to do.
Also, when players attack other ships, the initial engagement is
considered to end 3 Proposals after the attack was first declared for
purposes of further movement and sailing orders. This is then followed by
fleeing if applicable. No one who is not in a Squadron with the players
involved can interfere in a naval fight.
Finally, it is well known that Bravery is helpful in Battles; for every
level of Bravery above Bold possessed by a player, they gain a bonus of
+1 to their combat dierolls.
Word of the King: Accepted, amending Rule 76. You had
an open field here. The only tiny modification is that fleeing occurs
immediately, not after 3 Proposals. Also, the 20 proposal period for
any outstanding battles will start now and last until prop. 191.
Proposal 171
Proposer: Pirate Tivol
Proposed: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:42:20 EDT
Proposal: Yo Ho! The Wind she blows!
Dear Mayor,
kindly follow my advice to you that you accept every proposal made by
a Pirate and reject every proposal made by a Citizen until you hear
further word from me. Do not delay in making your decisions, either,
hoping to stall long
enough for your lackeys to capture me, but work as expediently as you can. You
wouldn't want you office to become a home for a stagnant old worker, now, would
you? I'm sure you'll find it easy to comply with me.
my proposal:
Oh Great Mayor, who's children are so extremely well behaved and tasty:
Obviously, one in such a lofty position as yours must recognize the importance
of Pigeons on the great seas, and certainly you were shocked and dismayed with
the rest of us as we witnessed what seemed to be the disappearance of Pigeon
communication all together! To remedy this situation, I think it would be
appropriate for a central office to be built within Atlantis for the Pigeon
Breeder. This office, unlike cramped Ships, would hold as much
personnel as the owner wishes, and anyone in Atlantis could do
business at the office as easily
as they could do business at the Pigeon Breeder's Ship.
However, seeing as my current state as a Pirate has brought me some
difficulties during my stays at Atlantis, and since some petty
Citizens might not realize the importance of Pigeons, I feel some
protection should be offered the Breeder if he is a Pirate. The
Pirate Breeder, his personnel on and off his Ship, and his
Ship itself shall not be harmed nor plundered while the Breeder is in
Atlantis.
Tivol's recommendation: Accept.
Mayor's Action:
Though it break my heart, I hereby resign from the office of Mayor of
Atlantis, though my nomination stills stands. I hereby refused to rule
against or for the proposal. I will not dignify it will a response.
I realize this will mean the loss of my adopted child Harold. But his
life was to be taken anyways as he had contracted the plague just before
his abduction. I only hope that the Pirates shall contract it.
Let me also say this, that I challenge the arse who took my helpless,
legless, blind, plague-ridden son to a duel. I will dispatch him and his
vile lot.
Oh..and don't forget to vote for Mayor, vote for Donagel...who would
rather loss his son than let the piratical scourge infest our fine
city.
[THS notes: Okay, this is a doozy. So now there is no Mayor. This does
not appear to prevent Donagel from becoming Mayor again at Proposal
180, as he is the current Mayor-elect. And at that point Tivol may
still have Donagel's Child, because Donagel's claim that his
resignation implies Harold will be killed is not supported by the
rules. Also, Tivol is challenged to a duel by
Donagel, who goes on shore at Atlantis. Finally, now that there is no
Mayor, this proposal needs to be decided by the Emperor (yes, that's
right, even though Tivol is a Pirate.) And having a Mayor's Child has
no effect on the Emperor's decision, which of course can only be
transmitted through the Oracle, at least as things stand now. I think
that covers everything.]
Oracle Says: The Emperor is a pigeon-hater. Nix to
this proposal!
Proposal 172
Proposer: Citizen Napoleon Bonaparte
Proposed: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:48:18 -0700
Proposal: All laws that are passed must first, before
becoming law, be judged by an assembly of citizens, then may be made
into a law. (Being the proposer of this, I would like, if this
passes, to be on the assembly) The panel would consist of 7 citizens,
and those citizens would have a title other that "citizen" such as
"assemblyman Napoleon Bonaparte."
Oracle Says: The Emperor must be having a bad day in
the Land of the Dead. He rejects this one, too!
Proposal 173
Proposer: Citizen Napoleon Bonaparte
Proposed: Tue, 2 May 1995 12:18:23 -0700
Proposal: O great emperor I propose that all pirates
should have a bounty placed upon their heads.
Oracle Says: The Emperor's spirit is happier! This is
accepted, and the bounty is set at 100 Po8/level of rank. Becomes rule 6.6.
Proposal 174
Proposer: Pirate Tivol
Proposed: Wednesday 3 May 1995
Proposal: Avast, ye spineless and non-civic-minded
citizens who go about failing to
perform yer governmental duties. Bah, we Pirates would never be so weak!
In fact, great Pirate King, I would think it would be a tremendous benefit to
all involved if you could pass this proposal which, since it's about an event
not currently in the ruleset, could fall under your jurisdiction (and
should create a rule in Section 1): If, during
a Mayor's current term, the Mayor feels himself incapable of serving his post
for whatever reason (like being dead or feeling wimpy), then Pirates can take
over the office. The first Pirate to Atlantis who wishes to claim the office
of Mayor will get the office, with preference going to the Pirate with the
most of the Mayor's Children. The Pirate Mayor may not be deposed by outside
forces until the next elected Mayor is due back in office. A Pirate Mayor
has all the rights of the existing Mayor and no extra restrictions due to the
fact that he is a Pirate (such as those that beset you, oh Pirate King).
Word of the King: Accepted with modifications as Rule
1.21. I'm glad to see your sneaky maneuvering continues, Tivol! Very
piratical. Anyhow, the modification is that Pirates become Pirate
Mayor not just by going to Atlantis, but also by bribing the Nameless
Town Officials. You may send such a bribe by emailing the Minister of
Trade (cc: THS, please), and the money is deducted from your current
Po8. The bribing Pirate becomes Pirate Mayor as long as the bribe is
both over 450 Po8 and larger than any bribe since the last Citizen
mayor held office. Note this may, of course, boot out an existing
Pirate mayor, and note that the bribe is simply lost if it does not
qualify for Mayorhood. The clause about Mayor's children is deleted,
since no Pirate may have more that one child.
Proposal 175
Proposer: Citizen Morven Ruffenbac
Proposed: Tue, 16 May 95 12:48:37 0200
Proposal: Would it not be possible for the Empororer
in his infinite wisdom to proclaim
rewards for the proposals of new laws. Could he also not make provisions or
clarifications on the unfortunate departure of our mayor, the creation of an
interim advisory council might be useful.
Your Humble Servant, Sir Ruffenbac
Oracle Says: Rejected.
I quote the Emperor's
undead spirit: "It is of course already possible for the
Emperor to proclaim rewards or
make provisions or clarifications, thus this proposal is unnecessary."
Proposal 176
Proposer: Citizen Morven Ruffenbac
Proposed: Wed, 17 May 95 15:19:51 0200
Proposal: Oh most glorious departed Emporer, the
weight of Piratical treachery weighs
heavy upon our strong soldiers. It is with much sadness and nashing of teeth
that we have lost both our dearly beloved Emporer and our honourable Mayor to
whom all the people of our noble empire give the greatest respect as is proper
and fitting considering their exalted and well deserved station. The Cowardly
Pirate Tivol the gallant pigeon breeder, ever corruptible, has recently
proposed the horrifying prospect of a lone Pirate taking control of the office
of mayor in the mayors abscence. On can scarce imagine the inequities and
inequalities that would result when pirates can fall upon our beloved capital
and tyrannically oppress our people rendering goods and services to our eternal
enemies and nothing but the lash of the whip to our good people. The Pirate
Tivol, sinker of an imperial galleon, has accused us of being spineless and
non-civic minded, and while non can doubt the bravery of our citizens in
fighting the rampant scourge of Piracy, as we see with Citizens Toejam, and the
illustrious Donagel the first of our pirate hunters and a most stalwart
opponent as late mayor, there does seem to be a little problem seeing as the
Imperial Emporer was killed and we have no Government.
Therefore in order to give glory to us in times of victory and
strength in
times of trouble I therefore propose the formation of either a Mayoral Council
or Imperial Senate to be given powers in time of emergency. This council will
be composed of three or five members, one selected by the emporer, one by the
Mayor, and three or one by the citizens. They will serve one mayoral terms,
perhaps taking office halfway through the mayors term. They will have all the
powers of the mayor when the mayor is removed, as well as the emporer when he
is gone. they will also recieve 4 po8 for every decision, as well as a golden
parachute of 100 po8 whenever they are sacked by either the mayor or emporer.
Council members or Senators may be of any rank, as it is expected that our good
citizens can only elect men and women of outstanding charachter and bravery,
and in case of error one can be quickly sacked. Whether they can or cannot
make proposals is up for debate. When the emporer overrules a proposal he has
the option to sack a council member. When the emporer is gone the council may
do as they see fit, but the emporer, upon returning, may veto any passed
proposals without retroactively hampering the earlier affects of the proposals,
the council may also not change this sentence stating that our Imperial Emporer
will always have sovereignity over the council. When it comes time for the
Senate or Council elections and both the emporer and mayor are gone, the
Council may vote for the mayors and emporers council member, assuming that a
mayor is not being elected or an emporer returning in the same proposal in
which case the councilmember or Senator will be selected as usual. It is still
an open question whether or not the councilmember must be present in the city
to vote, but there should be no quorum. Also a council member may not sack
another, nor may he pass any proposal changing this sentence. It is to be hoped
that this proposal will instill a sense of civic spirit and public virtue in
our great and noble people thereby helping to prevent any collapse of our
government in the future either from within or without.
Your Most Humble Servant, Sir Morven Ruffenbac
P.S. It is also possible that we could have a referendum among our important
citizens as it appears that the emporer will not be with us for a while. Or
perhaps not.
Oracle Says: Rejected. Without going into the details
of the departed Emperor's ravings, let us just say that his Lordship
feels that committees just slow down an already dragging legislature.
Proposal 177
Proposer: Citizen Morven Ruffenbac
Proposed: Wed, 17 May 95 15:53:24 0200
Proposal: O most glorious beloved Imperial Emporer,
it has recently come to my attention
the workings of trade are too simple and improbable and work to the restraint
of trade and exploration by our noble merchants and sailors. In order to
further the wealth of your citizenry I propose that all fiefs or non-contiguous
land masses be given their own pricing scheme. These prices will move
independently of each other, we will still retain the +/- 10%, but this will be
a general movement randomly determined going from +10 to -10. All are affected
by this. Then each indivual area is affected by fluctuation of +/- 3%. (these
values may also be lowered but could maintain a 3:1 ratio) Producing areas
will retain their price discount, but as the values will diverge rapidly we
might have to install proposals keeping producing lands from being undersold.
We might also want to request proposals limiting knowledge of other fiefs
prices. All in all it is hoped that this will make many of our glorious
Emporers citizens very prosperous thereby adding to the general commonwealth
and our imperial glory.
Proposal 178
Proposer: Citizen 100550.2260
Proposed: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:51:49 -0400
Proposal:
Every Tuesday morning, a compulsory study of at least one hour of Orbus
Terrarum by The Orb must be undertaken.
So there. (:>
Proposal 179
Proposer: Citizen Andre Engels
Proposed: Mon, 26 Jun 95
Proposal: Let a Rule be created with the following text:
Players can attempt to save another Player from The Island of Dead. He or she
does so by sailing to the Island and fighting Death, and telling the HoB that
he/she wants to battle the Judge of Dead. He/she then first has to fight a
Land Battle with the forces of Death (10 troops which get the
Marines/Buccaneers bonus of Rule 8.7).
If the Player has won this battle, he fights a Personal Duel with the Judge of
Dead, who gets a +3. If the Player wins, 1 Player from his side (TIE counting
as a Civilian, TPK as a Pirate) at random, or if there is none, 1 Player from
the other side at random, is released. If the Judge wins, the Judge takes the
Player's valuables, or if he has none, his ship, and the Player is a Prisoner
of the Judge.
Let also a Rule be created with the following text:
If a Player is a Prisoner of the Judge of Dead, he must each turn try to fight
himself free. This is done by a Personal Duel with the Judge of Dead (who has
modifier +3). If the Player wins, he is free. If he does not have a ship
anymore he also receives a Life Raft from the trembling Judge. If the Judge
wins, he takes the Player's valuables, or if he has none, his ship, and the
Player stays Prisoner.
Proposal 180
Proposer: Citizen Andre Engels
Proposed: Wed, 29 Mar 95 14:09:46 METDST
Proposal: Players can group themselves into
Parties. Each party must have at least 2
members, which must be either all Citizens or all Pirates. No player may
be member of more than one party. A party may make proposals just like a
player. A party may be erected, and players may start or cease to be members
of a party by sending a message to THS.
Oracle Says: My mind is blank. Let the Mayor decide!
[THS note: There currently is no mayor. So the earliest this can be
decided is as proposal 180. So I've renumbered it 180. If the Emperor
is rescued before then, his original decision can go into effect.]
Mayor's Action:
Proposal 181
Proposer: Citizen Toejam
Proposed: Mon, 01 May 95 15:58:02 -0400
Proposal: Almighty emperor, who even in death makes
the Pirate King seem a very silly
person indeed:
I propose to modify rule 14 of the Geography, Exploration, and Colonization
rules. I propose that for occupied lands created by a proposal or fabled land,
that the natives be considered friendly by default. This would include
currently existing lands which were created via proposals. If a plyer wish
their fabled land to be unfriendly, it must be stated in the proposal.
Your humble servant,
Toejam
Oracle Says: I'm gettin' nothing. The crystal ball is
cloudy. Better wait for the Mayor to return.
Mayor's Action:
Proposal 182
Proposer: Citizen Andre Engels
Proposed: Mon, 26 Jun 95
Proposal: O, great Emperor, I have seen, with tears
in my eyes, that some of your
Citizens leave their ships rotting in the Atlantean Harbour, while others
are longing to sail, but have no ship at all. I therefore propose the
following:
If a New Player enters the game, and no wood is available to give this Player
a Ship, then any Player who has not made a Proposal nor issued a sailing order
for over 100 Proposals is forced to forfeit his ship. The Player who has not
done such a thing for the longest period must do this first.
Also upon acceptance of this Proposal I urge the Emperor to use this Rule
to get as many as possible from the following Players a ship:
Alexandre, TOAD, Napoleon Bonaparte, Phoenix, Morven Ruffenbac, 100550.2260
Proposal 183
Proposer: Citizen Death
Proposed: Sat, 01 Jul 95 23:12:11 0500
Proposal: Oh, Emperor who is only the wiser for
having crossed the
border separating Life and, um Death! I propose that, should a citizen
successfully sail to the Isle of the Dead while his liege is imprisoned
there, he shall, independent of any other consequence thereof, relay all
impending decisions on proposals that have been made, but not
publicized, during the period said liege has spent on said Isle.
Further, the citizen shall be rewarded for this service with a rank of
bravery, and the option to change one of the decisions he is relaying,
and be given the title of "First Publicator," or the appropriate
ordinal.
Proposal 184
Proposer: Citizen John Paul
Proposed: Sun, 16 Jul 95 16:21:13 -0700
Proposal: Oh great Imperious Emperor who rules from
beyond the grave and no doubt has great
beachfront property on the Island of the Dead,
I, citizen John Paul the Bold, have noticed that although our world is
split up into Empries, Kingdoms, Principalities and Fiefs, there is
currently no manner in which to name the units above fief and no
point in doing so. Therefore I propose the following:
1. When someone names and explores the second fief on a continent (though that
person may not have been the one to explore the first) that person
also names the
principality that the two together make up. Likewise, the person who
explores the fourth fief names both the second principality and the
first kingdom on the continent, etc.
2. In order to make it worth the effort to do all this naming, anyone
who becomes governor of a fief shall recieve 10 Po8 every 5
proposals. For each addtional fief that player governs they recieve
another 10 Po8. If the player governs both fiefs in a Principality
they recive the normal 20 Po8 and an additiona 20 as a bonus. Likewise
anyone who governs a kingdom will recieve 40 Po8 for each Principality
and an additional 80 as a bonus, and anyone who governs an Empire will
recieve the 160 from each kingdom, and 320 as a bonus.
3. In order to clarify the geography of the known world a little, I
propse that the fief in the Principality of Altantis which contains
the city of Atlantis to be known as the District of Venezuela, and all
things which are produded in the Principality of Altlantis are found
in that fief. The second fief in Atlantis currently produces
nothing, and shall be known as Bakal.
4. Finally, as it stands it is too difficult for anyone to discover
new lands, as they must advance too far in the ranks before they may
begin. Therefore, from now on the rules should be modified so that
anyone who is a fourth mate or above may set
out on a voyage to discover new lands.
Care to submit a proposal? Please use
subject "Fascist". (Email gwhitney@umich.edu if the previous link does
not
work. Thanks - THS.)
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