remove systemd while debian runs on systemd [was: Jokes on monday morning, at least where i am its monday morning]

[tito]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 10:51:00 +0200
Sabrina <sabrina at pep.foundation> wrote:

> Dear Axel,
> 
> I can be transparent with my toughs as they are not that superficial but 
> seemingly not obvious;
> 
> On 4/4/22 10:10, Axel Beckert wrote:
> > Dear Sabrina,
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 04, 2022 at 08:10:51AM +0200, Sabrina wrote:
> >> lol. when i installed the package sysvinit-core recently, apt would
> >> deinstall systemd immediatley.
Hi,
testing it on a standard Debian 11 XFCE install it seems not be
like you said, systemd is not removed only systemd-sysv and
libpam-systemd. If you want to enjoy a really systemd free
system you could try Devuan whose devs jump through hops
to make that possible and you will find also instructions
about migration from Debian to Devuan.

Ciao,
Tito

apt install sysvinit-core
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> > Of course. That's expected and what most people, who do that, actually
> > want.
> 
> Before the last version upgrade you could easily install the sysV 
> packages, do your config, reboot and then remove systemd.
> When I read that apt will remove systemd, I naturally thought;  well how 
> nice is that! It must remove systemd after I reboot. What a service to 
> init-diversity!
> 
> 
> I don't know what most people want, but I enjoyed it how it used to be;
> Reboot and then remove systemd _after_ the system runs with sysvinit*.
> Removing systemd while the system runs on systemd is quite a  surprising 
>   logic..
> (..and I think that logic is a mess like all the spam that reaches me 
> trough this mailing list.)
> 
> 
> >> On 4/3/22 21:00, 三菱ＵＦＪニコス Net Branch wrote:
> >>> 三菱ＵＦＪ銀行をご利用いただき、誠にありがとうございます。
> > 
> > Why do you full-quote spam? Please stop doing that.
> 
> Thank you for the comment: Because I was and am annoyed about all the 
> spam in my inbox, coming in trough that mailing list.
> I even had overlooked that for once there had been a real message.
> 
> That's all.
> 
> Regards,
> Sabrina