[chiark.chat] Re: RFH: sysvinit etc. in Debian

Lorenz lorenzo.ru.g at gmail.com
Fri Nov 9 15:32:36 GMT 2018

Mark Hindley:
>I wonder why runit is not allowing the running daemon
>to be detected?
It can detect if is managed by another runsv, but can't if the process is
out there running in the wild

>My inclination here is to persist with an initscript and disable the Dbus
>activation (with /bin/true).
I like that, far better than Dbus activation.

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
>Better that Debian's /sbin/shutdown shim be extended to have "poweroff"
>as a further alternative name.
You are rigth, I will try with a symlink or a sh script that exec shutdown

Ian Jackson:
>elogind works on FreeBSD, right ?  Where there are no cgroups.  So how
>are we still depending on cgroups ?
Always thought that you need Consolekit2 on FreeBSD, since it can disable
cgroup.. but I never tried to
build Elogind on KfreeBSD so I can't  really tell.

Mark Hindley:
> I didn't have to make any changes to polkit-1 and it works for me.
I have just downgraded polkit and dbus to Debian official version, and it's
not working for me
$loginctl reboot
Reboot action called.
Failed to reboot system via elogind: Interactive authentication required.
and i get
' string "challenge" ' with dbus-send ...

But I have a system that is non-standard in several ways, and I can't think
of all the changes that i have made in the last 4 years and
figure out if there is a reason why it's not working, only for me, in a
reasonably short time.
I suggest to go forward and push Elognd into Unstable assuming that
standard polkit works fine, and than
rely on bug reports.


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