[chiark.chat] Re: RFH: sysvinit etc. in Debian

KatolaZ katolaz at freaknet.org
Tue Nov 6 11:33:47 GMT 2018

On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 04:17:04AM +0100, Lorenz wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> I'm Lorenzo Puliti, a Debian Sid user.
> During the last year, in order stay away from systemd and at the same time
> have a "Hey, my desktop is working again!" experience, i somehow manage to
> build an usable elogind.
> Now i'm using v239 with a packaging similar to the one posted by Mark
> Hindley.
> Among the differences, in control file i have also a Breaks+Replace:
> systemd-shim , Recommends: dbus-x11 + xserver-xorg-legacy and also i'm
> starting and managing elogind with runit.
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Is there anyone here with the kind of desktoppy knowledge who could
> > debug this ?
> I'm afraid you mean a developer, and i can't really debug this, but I have
> some info about Debian and Elogind I would like to share.
> Some or all the things i'm about to write may result pointless or obvious
> to you, nevertheless i feel like making other people waste their time to
> find out what I already know is worst that sending one email with pointless
> info.
> As far as I can tell, from almost 1 year of everyday use in Debian Sid:
>  - LXQT and KDE/Plasma: basic stuff like shutdown/reboot/suspend , plug in
> a usbpendrive and be able to mount/umount as user, edit root files with a
> graphic text editor like kate/kwrite, inhibitor logic,  all works fine for
> me.

Dear Lorenzo,

great to hear that. As you know, in Devuan ASCII (stretch-equivalent)
we have five supported DEs (XFCE, LXQT, Mate, Cinnamon, KDE), all
working with elogind+lightdm. Some of them can still work with
consolekit+slim. And in all of those the basic desktoppy-stuff
(shutdown, reboot, suspend, mount, and network config) works very

I am the last person able to help with desktop-stuff, but I have seen
a lot of good progress on this front. I have the impression that the
vast majority of packages that declare a dep on systemd actually would
do with a dep on libpam-systemd only (and we have filed several bugs
about that in the last few years, and most of them have been

It would be great to have a single elogind package for both Devuan and
Debian, and have rdeps sorted out properly even if the reactions to
Jan's query on the systemd-maintainers ML were not exactly positive :|



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