From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Wed May 13 15:56:34 2026 Return-path: To: JNugent73 at ..il.com Subject: Re: Re: Is Zack Polanski Right? References: <10t7h9d$2tah5$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [177866727222874] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 15:56:34 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Wed May 13 11:14:32 2026 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Authentication-Results: mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=uni-berlin.de; dkim=pass header.d=uni-berlin.de header.s=fub01 header.a=rsa-sha256 > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:From: Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:In-Reply-To: References; bh=Y+1KDFxFZ8NmT0H+K1kk/6Fe2zip1+WgxItlfjZtpNw=; t=1778667266; x=1779272066; b=QasOx6Z1wpzzi5Y+HSJgkjULzu0mNy84CJfaDR0v4UrPKc0i4HNrDvBYjm7LQ bHL5mJdTnHjW5T > From: JNugent > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Is Zack Polanski Right? > Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 11:14:25 +0100 > Organization: Home User > Message-ID: > References: <10t7h9d$2tah5$1@dont-email.me> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net Q6nOeJmZERxhHAiNrfJAEwJpoIc9WmEOH74f9gJkVZm5MIO9u1 > Cancel-Lock: sha1:jxW4LepDl/xtyCJnh0ROPZUPIfM= sha256:JKdhzFwAUdP6yKjOQJzY1kMVoUE3cqFJ7ZvooeuJgfQ= > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/22.0 > X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 260512-4, 5/12/2026), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 78 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=7.8 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Authentication-Results: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 13/05/2026 09:33 AM, The Todal wrote: > > > On 12/05/2026 12:25, JNugent wrote: > >> On 12/05/2026 10:41 AM, The Todal wrote: > >>> On 11/05/2026 17:26, JNugent wrote: > >>>> On 11/05/2026 01:35 PM, The Todal wrote: > >>>>> On 10/05/2026 20:31, Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>> On 2026-05-10, The Todal wrote: > > >>>>>>> Being afraid of antisemitic attacks because of a very few, sporadic > >>>>>>> attacks by thugs and drunks and mentally ill people, is much the > >>>>>>> same as being afraid of being raped or kidnapped by police because > >>>>>> of one or two isolated incidents involving rogue police officers. > >>>>>> There was another of these "very few, sporadic", "one or two" attacks > >>>>>> this weekend. > >>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yekjp7lzpo > >> > >>>>> Thanks for that link. > >> > >>>>> I think a full list of attacks on Jews (as distinct from disparaging > >>>>> remarks made to Jews) would be a very short list compared with attacks > >>>>> on black people and certainly attacks on women. > >> > >>>> Whataboutery? > >> > >>> No, that isn't an example of whataboutery. Whataboutery would be > >>> descriptions of badly behaved Jews. There aren't any badly behaved Jews > >>> in the UK. Except when genocidal Bibi Netanyahu pays us a visit. > > > No, again you misunderstand modern vernacular. > > "a counter-accusation, shifting focus to a similar, often unrelated, > > wrongdoing by an opponent" > > You were trying to minimise and trivialise attacks - often recently > quite mmurderous attacks - by arguing thatb they are not the only ones > to suffer discrimination or even attacks. That is an argument style > frequently referred to as "whataboutery". > > > > We are not discussing how misconduct by other people can somehow > > *excuse* antisemitic attacks. Because that would be nonsensical. We are > > discussing, or should be discussing, whether antisemitism is a priority > > compared with other crimes that the police have to combat. > > > Murderous attacks, as well as attempts, succesful or otherwise, at arson > are ALWAYS priority matters for the police. > >> > >> Not at all. It is whataboutery to cite bad behaviour anywhere, by > >> and/or against anybody else, in order to justify being against > >> protection for a particular group or section of society > >> > That's what I said! > > >>>>> I don't know if you personally share the view that antisemitic attacks > >>>>> should be considered the most urgent priority, in need of new > >>>>> legislation or new controls over protests/demonstrations. > >> > >>>> It looks pretty urgent, given the history of the twentieth century. > >> > >> No thoughts on that? > > > > Your remark was so vague as to be nonsensical. The history of the > > twentieth century includes genocides perpetrated by the Japanese against > > the Chinese, by the Nazis, by the Sri Lankan authorities against the > > Tamils, by the Turks against the Armenians. > > We were talking about crimes against Jewish people, not Turks. > > > > If you have only a small history book you might focus only on the > > genocides perpetrated by the Nazis against the Jews and (often > > forgotten) against the disabled and in even larger numbers against the > > Slavs of Russia and Poland. > > And pogroms in Eastern Europe before that. Not that any of it was > limited to the twentieth century in any case. > > > > And now the genocide in Gaza. > > > > People with a slim grasp of history will assume that Jews are somehow > > the main victims, the people most in danger. > > They're the ones with decades of military attacks against them and with > years and years of attacks by ballistic methods. > > > But this is underpinned by > > ignorance. Genocide is committed by police and armies under the control > > of governments. Not by radicalised individuals in society. The Chief > > Rabbi would have us avert our eyes from the spectacle of the slaughter > > in Gaza and Lebanon and in doing so, encourages genocide. > > Why are you saying that? > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmoEkSIACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x6BhAf/dku3e81qGc+xC22ox3leguu5Q/yHf2XBUGeZDAfl9pW8iRjRXpKtJXg5 mJ3xtO6sUTl4LYd+zXLshzXa8Boic63Bx9DHqfjQs8ZEwtfsrJlAKY59NqJ/TNWI eigTWsqNedLE6ugZmE+4n5zW6jxqDm98iH6/tdW+xV0NEdNVxm1YsJHcniI8YT7I fIq29wHnifN9Ow55hhJuB45lSdt6vkkHaWf5hy2hMrEyUOytu1yaNu0PWNOavPQV XbM9Pe97Cf86FXWUssrLKGf5w2bRHGi1ZrxYjfzlluUBMDSCoJdvWQeSapKLYFTw pgRcavwMxOor31nVgKwVZ+Y1VVMZ2Q== =fHmk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----