From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Mon May 19 20:22:21 2025 Return-path: To: fredxx at ..am.invalid Subject: Re: Re: Solicitor struck off for criticising Israel on Twitter References: <3201921772.896c09d4@uninhabited.net> <10049d9$31q8v$1@dont-email.me> <0497084293.40eae291@uninhabited.net> <100ae6c$fo87$1@dont-email.me> <100ao6r$hnif$1@dont-email.me> <100f835$1jmme$4@dont-email.me> <100fpt4$1ngs9$6@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: <100fpt4$1ngs9$6@dont-email.me> Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [174767588026224] reject abuse Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 20:22:21 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. Your message appears to the moderator to be abusive or hurtful to another contributor. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Mon May 19 18:31:20 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of eternal-september.org designates 95.216.221.164 as permitted sender) client-ip=95.216.221.164; envelope-from=news@eternal-september.org; helo=smtp.eternal-september.org; > Authentication-Results: name/A4BCE60A03; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=spam.invalid > To: uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > From: Fredxx > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Solicitor struck off for criticising Israel on Twitter > Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 18:31:17 +0100 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Message-ID: <100fpt4$1ngs9$6@dont-email.me> > References: > <3201921772.896c09d4@uninhabited.net> <10049d9$31q8v$1@dont-email.me> > <0497084293.40eae291@uninhabited.net> > > > > > > <100ae6c$fo87$1@dont-email.me> > <100ao6r$hnif$1@dont-email.me> > <100f835$1jmme$4@dont-email.me> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Injection-Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 19:31:17 +0200 (CEST) > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Cancel-Lock: sha1:v9vYLJvDO2DFkxBJcNSbAJQp4/E= > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+kFf/JbqJz+WwZOgKCwTrfrlXCurhz7rQ= > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on smtp.eternal-september.org > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 25 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: X-Spam-Checker-Version: > > On 19/05/2025 15:25, JNugent wrote: > > On 19/05/2025 01:27 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >> On 18/05/2025 14:30, JNugent wrote: > >>> On 17/05/2025 08:31 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >>>> On 17/05/2025 19:30, JNugent wrote: > >>>>> On 17/05/2025 05:40 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >>>>>> On 17/05/2025 13:45, JNugent wrote: > >>>>>>> On 16/05/2025 08:05 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 16/05/2025 in message JNugent > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2025 04:57 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 16/05/2025 in message > >>>>>>>>>> JNugent > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The people of Gaza, the ones who are being massacred and > >>>>>>>>>>>> starved by > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> Israelis, do not have hostages and are powerless to release any > >>>>>>>>>>>> hostages > >>>>>>>>>>>> that are still imprisoned by Hamas. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Isn't Hamas supposed to be the representative government of > >>>>>>>>>>> Gaza? > >>>>>>>>>>> That is what has been constantly asserted over the past few > >>>>>>>>>>> years. > >>>>>>>>>>> Aren't governments resposible for their own actions and > >>>>>>>>>>> inactions? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Presumably that is tongue in cheek? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Not in the slightest. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> How would you compare an election in the UK, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I wouldn't. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I haven't. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And I shan't. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Is that clear? You will not divert me. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But I'd also perhaps remind you that every figure you and others > >>>>>>>>> quote > >>>>>>>>> has been provided by Hamas. The BBC at least makes that clear > >>>>>>>>> every > >>>>>>>>> time they report on the latest events, with references to "the > >>>>>>>>> health > >>>>>>>>> ministry, run by Hamas" (or words to that exact effect). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So... should or shouldn't Hamas release the illegally taken > >>>>>>>>> hostages? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am not trying to divert you or anybody, suggesting that Gazans > >>>>>>>> willingly elected Hamas in the way we elect government is clearly > >>>>>>>> nonsense but you seem to be working on the basis it is just as > >>>>>>>> valid. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The figures quoted have been verified by the BBC and by various > >>>>>>>> official > >>>>>>>> bodies such as the UN. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In 1946 there were people in Germany and Poland who said "we didn't > >>>>>>>> know". > >>>>>>>> Today no one can say they didn't know, you can only say you didn't > >>>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>> to know. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So should the hostages be released or don't they have the right to > >>>>>>> freedom? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do you think the Gazan hostages kept in Israeli prisons should be > >>>>>> released too? > >>>>> > >>>>> Are there any? > >>>> > >>>> yes, they were due to be released before Israel broke the ceasefire > >>>> agreement. You seem to hold strong views on things you know little > >>>> about. Just an observation and hope you now feel much enlightened. > >>>> > >>>>> Why do you continually avoid giving an answer to a straightforward > >>>>> question? > >>>>> > >>>>> Should the hostages illegally helf by Hamas be released or don't they > >>>>> have the right to freedom? > >>>> > >>>> Generally I would say hostages should be released. > >>>> > >>>> You have also been told that there is a significant risk to the > >>>> hostages > >>>> being released without a ceasefire. Perhaps you want them shot by the > >>>> IDF to prove a point? It would be an extreme way of providing further > >>>> proof of an IDF shoot to kill policy. > >>>>   >> Do you think the hostages in Gaza justify the ethnic cleansing of > >>>>>> Palestinians? > >>>>> > >>>>> Answer the questions that YOU have been asked if you expect an answer > >>>>> to your own irrelevant and evasive questions. > >>>> > >>>> I have answered you before in that yes, the hostages should be released > >>>> during a ceasefire. Please remind us who broke the ceasefire? I can > >>>> assure that's not irrelevant to the question of hostage release. > >>>> > >>>>>> But more importantly, why do you think Israel broke the cease-fire > >>>>>> agreement, other than to justify the continued ethnic cleansing in > >>>>>> Gaza? > >>>>> > >>>>> I have no way of knowing. > >>>> > >>>> You should read the news and open your eyes rather than burying your > >>>> head in the sand. Any intelligent person versed in recent Israeli > >>>> politics will know. > >>>> > >>>>> You don't let such considerations hold you back. > >>>> > >>>> No,I read the news and learn how it is Netanyahu's policy to commit > >>>> genocide in Gaza. You just can't seem to take this in, or dyslexic when > >>>> it comes to news regarding the Knesset and its decrees. > >>> > >>> Yet more abuse. > >>> > >>> Yet more failure to discuss things civilly and with regard to the > >>> normally-accepted rules of debate. > >> > >> If there was any perceived abuse it was from your statement, "I have no > >> way of knowing" that showed plain ignorance. I thought you were more > >> intelligent than that so wonder the purpose of that statement. Am I > >> wrong? > > > > "I have no way of knowing" is... yes... a confession of ignorance if > > that's what you want to call it. It is certainly not abusive (one would > > have no understanding of the meaning of the word to believe otherwise). > > > > Had I said that I DID have a way of knowing, that would been untrue. > > That is just not my way. > > That is a patent untruth. You could simply have searched for articles on > the subject just like everyone else who looks for the bigger picture. > > >> Please explain where I'm going wrong that resulted in my observation. > > > > That's probably easy - many people mistakenly think that the word > > "ignorant" and its derivations mean "rudeness". > > > > It doesn't. > > Please don't confuse your ignorance with rudeness where all it is doing > is pointing out the obvious. > > > Almost every post you have made on this topic has contained some element > > of personal abuse. It seems to be your opinion that anyone who fails to > > agree with you is acting out of malice. > > And you have lied to say "I have no way of knowing". Expect a direct > response when you make such a ridiculous claim. > > > If that is the case (and there's plenty of evidence for it in this > > thread), you are wrong. > > > > Being abusive is well outside the normal rules of civilised debate. > > So is lying. Some feel that being called a liar is an abuse even when > true. If the cap fits .......... > > >> Most people who take a balanced view look up articles that quote > >> Netanyahu and the Israeli defence minister plans of the ethnic cleansing > >> of Gaza. Where there are plans to move the indigenous population out of > >> Gaza. > > > > That is untrue, because most people who take a balanced view do not seek > > to research anything of the sort. And in any case, it is up to those who > > take up a particular standpoint to do the research and provide the > > evidence. > > That is an astounding statement from someone of your perceived stature. > > What you are effectively saying is that everything you write is made on > the spot and doesn't reflect facts that could be easily ascertained > through a little research. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmgrhO0ACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x7o4wf/Xn+Z3uFKibCtAdnxrM5q05zqFbMyBpIjbA5Hf+rQgPxhyWWiBYqvEGcj 63nAlMXfDH07h1i09IiDUk7GuWBHVJPAFw88dDkN22TQvzqw5gLaZOOVkBNsQuys hQRhWn9c5sc/ZTCwfPlIT7PPAtBjRiy4VkqipOY+QOhW5cVrTEuvWorP1smlIAWy hM2TbQHhdjE7UuptncMtwMsiJjOiUpn0RnkPc63ynpVh09xDGjvJzI4MQn5yYJmX jonmV6jryeD6SSxPM6yliUSrWzrzb+W+gV59EGZngLVluNM6CMW+Ti3/W80zjL/x ewrijZmmRhMixhJLn/sAhVuGJYhK1w== =U5Ra -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----