From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Mon May 19 13:20:37 2025 Return-path: To: fredxx at ..am.invalid Subject: Re: Re: Is Astrology a Religion? References: <1004kr9$33t72$1@dont-email.me> <1005feo$2k2cu$7@dont-email.me> <1007ak3$3ol85$1@dont-email.me> <1007lm6$3qtp9$2@dont-email.me> <100b0nt$j78h$2@dont-email.me> <100f5of$1jmmf$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: <100f5of$1jmmf$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [174765525525888] reject abuse Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 13:20:36 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Please do not refer to a fellow poster as a hypocrite. The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. Your message appears to the moderator to be abusive or hurtful to another contributor. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Mon May 19 12:47:35 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of eternal-september.org designates 2a01:4f9:c010:ad8c::1 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a01:4f9:c010:ad8c::1; envelope-from=news@eternal-september.org; helo=smtp.eternal-september.org; > Authentication-Results: name/4351660A03; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=spam.invalid > To: uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > From: Fredxx > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Is Astrology a Religion? > Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 12:47:28 +0100 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Message-ID: <100f5of$1jmmf$1@dont-email.me> > References: > > > > > > > <1004kr9$33t72$1@dont-email.me> > <1005feo$2k2cu$7@dont-email.me> > <1007ak3$3ol85$1@dont-email.me> > <1007lm6$3qtp9$2@dont-email.me> > <100b0nt$j78h$2@dont-email.me> > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Injection-Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 13:47:30 +0200 (CEST) > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Cancel-Lock: sha1:ovSNRMaPAA1U1Y9AHdM0FgeaE/s= > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/keAmVhOSUvs+8v8EZ1E7VxZpKMbi2Wi4= > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on smtp.eternal-september.org > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 35 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.5 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: X-Spam-Checker-Version: > > On 18/05/2025 14:22, JNugent wrote: > > On 17/05/2025 10:57 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >> On 17/05/2025 00:10, JNugent wrote: > >>> On 16/05/2025 04:30 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 16/05/2025 15:53, JNugent wrote: > >>>>> On 16/05/2025 01:21 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >>>>>> On 16/05/2025 12:48, JNugent wrote: > >>>>>>> On 15/05/2025 08:31 PM, Jethro_uk wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 May 2025 17:32:26 +0100, JNugent wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> ...and really seems to believe that a work of fiction written in > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> mid-1970s for a movie is a religion (unless he is adopting that > >>>>>>>>> stance merely for the sake of contrarianism). > >>>> > >>>>>>>> And the Bible isn't a collection of campfire tales ? > >>>> > >>>>>>> That is not the matter at issue and is an attempt at diversion. > >>>> > >>>>>> So you finally agree that all beliefs based on fiction should be > >>>>>> respected? > >>>> > >>>>> What *I* believe is not the matter under discussion. > >>>>> We were discussing factual matters - such as how anyone who claims to > >>>>> follow a "religion" based on undoubted fiction can be taken seriously > >>>>> (and, indeed, whether they even expect to be taken seriously). > >>>> > >>>> That is why I don't take you seriously. The only difference is you have > >>>> an expectation of being taken seriously when you shouldn't. > >>> > >>> If you don't take seriously the matters we have been discussing, one > >>> marvels that you have been so persistent. > >> > >> I very much take the matters we are discussing seriously and respect all > >> beliefs. > >> > >> Your views can  be dismissed and not taken seriously from your denial > >> that the belief in that a universal "Force" is based on the long > >> standing beliefs of Chi, Qi, Ki and Prana. > >> > >> Your belief is equally made up of fiction, that is entirely reliant on > >> some books of made up stories and plagiarism, some of which were > >> selected just a few hundred years ago. I guess if you hear the same > >> story multiple times it must make it true. > > > > More abuse, eh? > > No more than you put on anyone who follows their belief in a Force. > > > You do give a distinct impression of not knowing how to take part in > > civilised discourse, don't you? > > It's very difficult to otherwise point out to a hypocrite when they > don't like the very same arguments they apply to others' beliefs applied > to their own belief. > > I'm sorry if you feel that way. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmgrIhQACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x4Hagf/ZQEmhyTHDWLSWmrMnWGV6bv6Ue8RyJ/kvUnC79SVofNbZrsDSJon0EuT 6evYo7mu4cquV6tESDarM24Za4TlM3EJFm81Z/AkHZkFdoekjdw6gn7F3HbwwaU+ YYmN81QIPt67s8T7e6Tixh4faNSQtDGfvSRfccnRO3FmB6on6ghLwBjSHLtpMC0P RR/5tMmVF74GC8VAQwTzH00SvXvVs8JPLFR+hB7OJmiEi+K6IvoeDbf/Y526mC5s n+AJ/giu8XFvVWf7jfVLwhGhxqJoKc1FBZm/f2lSk2F75RJktWasrcSC6DkLZtAx vwoqrN8CLMI7OVwkvLPM9+4d4eUIvQ== =G8y0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----