From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Sat May 17 17:28:55 2025 Return-path: To: JNugent73 at ..il.com Subject: Re: Re: Solicitor struck off for criticising Israel on Twitter References: <3201921772.896c09d4@uninhabited.net> <10049d9$31q8v$1@dont-email.me> <0497084293.40eae291@uninhabited.net> <1005aro$3861h$2@dont-email.me> <1008arv$3v01p$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [174748602321121] reject offtopic Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 17:28:54 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This appears to the moderator to be off-topic for uk.legal.moderated or has insufficient law-related material. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Sat May 17 13:47:03 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of uni-berlin.de designates 130.133.4.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.133.4.89; envelope-from=mod-submit@uni-berlin.de; helo=outpost5.zedat.fu-berlin.de; > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dKtLQoeRI2naDQYxBdgyPk7YEeDfywfpHsX5xWFbcRo=; t=1747486022; x=1748090822; b=Mq7tHKYlUVINBVx > From: JNugent > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Solicitor struck off for criticising Israel on Twitter > Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 13:47:00 +0100 > Organization: Home User > Message-ID: > References: <3201921772.896c09d4@uninhabited.net> <10049d9$31q8v$1@dont-email.me> <0497084293.40eae291@uninhabited.net> <1005aro$3861h$2@dont-email.me> <1008arv$3v01p$1@dont-email.me> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net o3/1/+l4OpTEcLRLkygRBAv9j5WLaZZCNi1NTWCTvgGP0/jDDf > Cancel-Lock: sha1:1zZizVtPk4Lfux/qfBk9EIAe6Ec= sha256:ICTk798K+a6R/aRQtpRcjIzJ2OqqXSfYJ/i+zWjgOOw= > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 > X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 250517-2, 5/17/2025), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 43 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 16/05/2025 10:31 PM, Fredxx wrote: > > On 16/05/2025 16:27, JNugent wrote: > >> On 15/05/2025 07:13 PM, Fredxx wrote: > >> > >>> On 15/05/2025 18:36, JNugent wrote: > >>>> On 15/05/2025 05:53 PM, The Todal wrote: > >>>>> On 15/05/2025 17:40, JNugent wrote: > >>>>>> On 15/05/2025 12:00 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>> The Todal wrote: > >>> > >>>>>>>> Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, > >>>>>>>> e.g., by > >>>>>>>> claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist > >>>>>>>> endeavor. > >>> > >>>>>>> Does that mean any such state must be located in Palestine? > >>>>>>> Are other religions (or victims of the Holocaust) accorded the same > >>>>>>> right? If not why not? > >>> > >>>>>> Which other religions were targeted by the Third Reich as candidates > >>>>>> for attempted extinction? > >>>>>> I vaguely remember reading something about the Jehovah's Witnesses, > >>>>>> but can't be sure. > >>> > >>>>>>>> Applying double standards by requiring of it [Israel] a behavior > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>> expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. > >>> > >>>>>>> What about expecting it to meet the standard required by any > >>>>>>> civilised > >>>>>>> nation or a body such as the UN/ICC? > >>> > >>>>>> Do you mean in the abstract, or within the context of a series of > >>>>>> actual murderous onslaughts going back over a millennium or more? > >>>>>> How would you know what to expect of a civilised country unless and > >>>>>> until one is being bombarded with rockets on a daily basis and its > >>>>>> people are being murdered? > >>> > >>>>> What would you expect of Gaza now that it's being bombarded with > >>>>> rockets > >>>>> on a daily basis and its people are being murdered? > >>>>> Would you expect them to resist in some way? Except that they can't > >>>>> because they have no army or air force. Just demolished buildings and > >>>>> tents. > >>> > >>>> Perhaps they might consider releasing the rest of the hostages being > >>>> illegally held? > >>> > >>> Wasn't there an agreement for precisely that to happen? > >> > >> I believe there was. > >>> > >>> Then Israel broke that agreement simply so that Netanyahu could hang > >>> onto power. > >> > >> What is to stop the hostage takers from releasing the hostages? > > > > I might agree. Where that has happened in the past it hasn't worked well > > for the hostages, has it? Best done in a cease-fire. There are also the > > hostages in Israelis prisons. > > > >> Wouldn't it be a good idea? > > > > Yes, if you want the hostages killed through approaching IDF soldiers > > who are versed in the shooting of unarmed civilians. > > > >> Or have the remaining hostages somehow forfeited their right to a free > >> life? > > > > Many of them are combatants in that they are serving or obliged to serve > > in the IDF. > > > >>>>>> Did the UK shrink from doing things some describe as "uncivilised" > >>>>>> when its own cities were blitzed? > >>> > >>>>> In general the UK obeyed international law. > >>> > >>>> Is Israel, *in general*, doing or not doing the same? I accept that > >>>> it's difficult to tell from here. > >>> > >>> No, collective punishment is a crime, starving a country is a crime. > >>> Ethnic cleansing is a crime. > >>> > >>>>> To the extent that excessive > >>>>> deaths and destruction were caused by the RAF, that was probably > >>>>> calculated to reduce the enemy's ability to make and deploy weapons. > >>> > >>>> What's the difference? > >>> > >>> A lot, just look at the proportion of deaths to size of population. You > >>> have seemingly forgotten a recent thread of how many Germans were killed > >>> through bombing as a percentage of Germany's population. > >> > >> Not all. We are discussing principles, not numbers. > > > > A principle about genocide is about numbers however painful that might > > be for you. > > > >>> I will remind you deaths are at 2.5% of the original Gazan population. > >>> (Some reputable sources estimate it's 3%). Yes that is 1 (or more) in 40 > >>> people. I guess you think problem solved when the next 39 are killed. > >> > >> Don't "guess". It just makes you look silly. If I don't answer an > >> irrelevant question, that's because it's not... er... relevant. But > >> you launch another ad-hom in frustration. > > > > Ok, you will only be happy when Netanyahu has obtained his goal of > > ridding Gaza of all muslims. There you go, not a guess. > > There goes another one. > > > >>>> I assume there must be one, because many German and Japanese civilians > >>>> were killed by Allied bombing, weren't they? > >>> > >>> Yes, they weren't occupied by allied forces. > >>> > >>>>> We would not have bombed Belfast to reduce the number of IRA > >>>>> terrorists. > >>>>> > >>>> Would it have had that effect, d'you think? > >>> > >>> Given the army was sent in to protect the minority republicans that's a > >>> strange assertion. > >> > >> Ah... there's one of your difficulties: you are failing to distinguish > >> assertions from questions. > >> > >> "Would it have had that effect, d'you think?" was a *question*. > >> > >> It was not, by any stretch of the imagination, an assertion. > > > > So we have established you made a pointless statement dressed as a > > question. > > Yet more ad-homs. > > Do you have a proper discussion mode? > > > And yes, if the army had left NI, no doubt the larger loyalist > > paramilitary force would have outed many of the IRA members and hence > > reduced the number of IRA terrorists. > > > >>> So much easier simply to have left NI to their own > >>> devices! > >>> > >>>>>>> Not criticisms of the poster but open questions on what seems a > >>>>>>> very one sided situation. > >>> > >>>>>> Yes, it sometimes does. > >> > >> > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmgouUYACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x4aYQgAka6CoGj9ygjr7snmQTecm+25gvEnpPPzUpqjgwB/Qlrgjc71YK1IJfpn nSOlhbqWWUOaZSeGbkbisXVhWiLOns19vb0++MOfOhOkJAkHRrZ9FY4GvMZ3vyDt m038D+oSNAlEJixH34RIWt9/1PVycnvTXCxLP/Pp6xjJPwURfNT8K9L/Rq1B+urN 17X5UaT2UXcU/YJQRKuePQPobZ6MTYt55PDYhkGnIA0rWnSOI3t8FZWsu5eJ+m2u LzL/qUT2Mn4BuFDiVg6MGL6Q4yqCc3hOViGmsjkm5R50wFdyKA/bxDL4E+wQT9qX r9HzL3Sjd5rXd1ObBDxCdzRQWBeJ1g== =0vE3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----