From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Sat May 17 08:45:28 2025 Return-path: To: fredxx at ..am.invalid Subject: Re: Re: Dead Pope References: <1008a74$3v00o$1@dont-email.me> <1008enq$3vt0s$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: <1008enq$3vt0s$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [17474350719819] reject meta Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 08:45:28 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. Discussions about whether someone's post should have been rejected or accepted are not generally permitted in the group, and should be taken to uk.net.news.moderation. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Fri May 16 23:37:51 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of eternal-september.org designates 2a01:4f9:c010:ad8c::1 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a01:4f9:c010:ad8c::1; envelope-from=news@eternal-september.org; helo=smtp.eternal-september.org; > Authentication-Results: name/5070660A00; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=spam.invalid > To: uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > From: Fredxx > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Dead Pope > Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 23:37:47 +0100 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Message-ID: <1008enq$3vt0s$1@dont-email.me> > References: <1008a74$3v00o$1@dont-email.me> > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Injection-Date: Sat, 17 May 2025 00:37:47 +0200 (CEST) > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Cancel-Lock: sha1:Q1izTzmhYo7t2QNfpWwm131xqoI= > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+8Ka7nQaGYiHc6nuw0d8vg4g2ZdGokLcM= > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on smtp.eternal-september.org > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 25 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: X-Spam-Checker-Version: > > On 16/05/2025 22:49, The Todal wrote: > > On 16/05/2025 22:20, Fredxx wrote: > >> On 16/05/2025 14:20, The Todal wrote: > >>> The Pope is dead - long live the Pope. > >>> > >>> In his Easter message before he died, Pope Francis mentioned Gaza. > >>> > >>> “I think of the people of Gaza, and its Christian community in > >>> particular, where the terrible conflict continues to cause death and > >>> destruction and to create a dramatic and deplorable humanitarian > >>> situation,” Pope Francis' message said. “I appeal to the warring > >>> parties: call a ceasefire, release the hostages and come to the aid > >>> of a starving people that aspires to a future of peace!” > >>> > >>> unquote > >>> > >>> We can have conversations about whether Pope Pius XII spoke out > >>> against the Nazi regime and the persecution of the Jews, but that's > >>> now in the rather distant past. > >>> > >>> Why doesn't the current Pope and why doesn't the entire Catholic > >>> church outspokenly condemn Israel for its genocidal actions in Gaza > >>> which are now as appalling as they have ever been - preventing aid > >>> and medical supplies getting through, rather like Himmler's > >>> concentration camps where people died of typhus, starvation and > >>> exhaustion rather than poison gas? > >>> > >>> Why aren't Christians marching in large numbers to stand with the > >>> oppressed people of Palestine? > >>> > >>> Reluctance to condemn Israel is surely not because, as some might > >>> interpret the words of Pope Francis, there is blame on both sides and > >>> the mutilated and burned women and children in Gaza are as much to > >>> blame as the IDF. > >>> > >>> When religious leaders dodge the real issues and waste their time > >>> talking about their opposition to euthanasia because of the sanctity > >>> of human life, it is obvious that religion offers no ethical or moral > >>> leadership and is irrelevant to the lives of most of us. Especially > >>> those in war zones. > >> > >> While I aspire to your cause this is a purely political post. > > > > You're effectively saying that when our nation and our religious leaders > > condone genocide it's "politics" and nothing to do with international law. > > No, what I am saying quote UK law or international law enshrined in UK > law. Otherwise yes, it is politics. > > > If that's your belief, you are mistaken. > > Without any legal content, it is politics. Whether you like it or not. > There was nothing in Labour's manifesto about Gaza, and indeed they lost > some potential seats they might have won otherwise. > > > Politicians cannot make up the rules about what is or is not a war > > crime, or permissible conduct from an ally that would be condemned if > > carried out by other nations. > > Yes, they can and do if it fulfils their doctrine. It's what governments > do. They slant the facts to suit their own agenda. > > >> You could have taken the opportunity to go over some of the court > >> actions regarding sending arms to Israel and the legal basis if any of > >> stopping this. > > > > > > If that interests you, feel free to provide your own analysis. > > I don't have any analysis apart from being aware there are attempts to > block the export of arms. My post was an invite to you to put a legal > aspect on your otherwise political post. > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmgoPpgACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x4QUwgAxEyAdZUokmjyJjzl/JH6UsAGDthvNfoikr831bpsSG4Axa+aD8/HQQv0 jg11tFA6tB7C6go1ubYOjddJykdJ90rWScJLWkzS+KewfaX5mPjzNE2JaNxiUoJ/ QrFG+uPZ9K2qAigLmzRjlF33hnOoMDPOaxb9aS3LPMOQgT4OvsWAGQkYJ2r8/hbo v22Xrg6UhAZig4XHz5p4FX0dr2YZhSbzlaf6Vcpkjeecqn+JRmeNtMrVcg1OfGRe ySXLYlglL7qRn0syzqbgx5Je1dLjsvevo+KkB6bFD/tiyDIuBgNSQltPNn+WwuCw 3RnyKvs4ZzabmhZPaWUjbFgWD0uwfg== =W8HI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----