From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Mon May 12 18:02:01 2025 Return-path: To: martinharran at ..ail.com Subject: Re: Re: Is Astrology a Religion? References: <3r432ktsm4hej3bq8a7lp0jad73di231er@4ax.com> <4189371556.0c8f7c2a@uninhabited.net> <1t442khkjkgjd5ncfo12mjlo7ivjitf8ju@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [174706915229878] reject abuse Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 18:02:01 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Quoting messages that were not intended for ULM is abusive The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. Your message appears to the moderator to be abusive or hurtful to another contributor. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Mon May 12 17:59:12 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: softfail (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: transitioning domain of admin.omicronmedia.com does not designate 130.133.4.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.133.4.7; envelope-from=news-admin@admin.omicronmedia.com; helo=moderators.individual.net; > To: uk-legal-moderated@moderators.isc.org > From: Martin Harran > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Is Astrology a Religion? > Message-ID: > References: <3r432ktsm4hej3bq8a7lp0jad73di231er@4ax.com> <4189371556.0c8f7c2a@uninhabited.net> <1t442khkjkgjd5ncfo12mjlo7ivjitf8ju@4ax.com> > User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Organization: Newshosting.com - Highest quality at a great price! www.newshosting.com > Bytes: 9531 > Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 17:59:06 +0100 > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 10 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: > > On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:46:13 +0100, Pancho > wrote: > > >On 5/12/25 10:59, Martin Harran wrote: > >> On Sun, 11 May 2025 18:24:17 +0100, The Todal > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 11/05/2025 17:46, Pamela wrote: > >>>> On 19:32 10 May 2025, The Todal said: > >>>>> On 10/05/2025 13:52, Martin Harran wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 12:42:03 +0100, The Todal > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> On 10/05/2025 11:47, Martin Harran wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 11:17:32 +0100, The Todal > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 10/05/2025 10:55, GB wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/05/2025 00:25, Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-09, GB wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There's a rather odd thread been started up that purports to > >>>>>>>>>>>> be about whether astrology is covered by the Equalities Act. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Under optimal conditions, would this pass moderation? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I assumed that Norman's OP was not really intended as a legal > >>>>>>>>>> question. Indeed, I can't see any legal content in the ensuing > >>>>>>>>>> thread. I assumed its real purpose was to introduce a poor joke > >>>>>>>>>> about the Pope. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Here's what he wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "We all know that discrimination on the grounds of religion is > >>>>>>>>>> not allowed under the Equality Act. So, does that include > >>>>>>>>>> astrology? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Suppose that fourteen Leos had been appointed to be Pope but > >>>>>>>>>> there had never been a Pope Sagittarius, would that be illegal?" > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jokes, whether ingenious or poor, about the Catholic Church or > >>>>>>>>> about the Pope are acceptable in ULM if there is any law-related > >>>>>>>>> angle. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I was tempted to post a comment in ULM (but decided not to) about > >>>>>>>>> the ridiculous, disproportionate wall to wall coverage of the > >>>>>>>>> Pope's death, which the media was telling us had deeply affected > >>>>>>>>> most people in the world including non-Catholics. It was more > >>>>>>>>> irritating than the coverage given to the deaths and funerals of > >>>>>>>>> our own Royal Family. Let the Catholics grieve, sure, but don't > >>>>>>>>> instruct us all that we should be grieving too. If gullible > >>>>>>>>> people want to flock to St Peters Square so that they can tell > >>>>>>>>> their grandchildren "I Was There Too", no need to admire them for > >>>>>>>>> doing so. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yet again you demonstrate your extreme self-righteousness and > >>>>>>>> sheer intolerance of people who don't share your opinions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yet again, you're sulking and you don't see how undignified this is > >>>>>>> for you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nope, not sulking at all but FWIW, I'd rather be guilty of sulking > >>>>>> than guilty of scoffing at other people just because they don't > >>>>>> share my opinions or beliefs. YMMV > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> In common with most people in the UK, I have no religious beliefs and > >>>>> regard religious people as weak-minded, fearful of the prospect of > >>>>> death, keen to believe in an illusory afterlife, bereft of any > >>>>> personal sense of morality but relying heavily on religious > >>>>> commandments to tell them how they should behave. > >>>> > >>>> Do you feel same about nontheistic religions, such as Buddhism and > >>>> Confucianism? > >>>> > >>> I would have to know more about the religions and the people who have > >>> those particular faiths, before I had an opinion. > >>> > >>> I see that currently the Muslims and the Hindus are at war with each > >>> other. Is that motivated by religious faith or by something else? If > >>> religion cannot stop people killing each other, what purpose does it > >>> actually serve other than to advance the personal, selfish interests of > >>> each individual? > >> > >> Please explain how *loving your neighbour* advances the personal, > >> selfish interests of an individual trying to live their life in that > >> manner. > > > >In game theory terms, it is because mutual cooperation is not a zero-sum > >game. In effect, the benefits individuals receive from a long term > >cooperative relationship are greater than the costs. > > > >Many animals participate in cooperative, mutually beneficial, relationships. > > > Ok, maybe you can deal with the question I asked Todal earlier today: > > Can you identify even one species where members leave their own herd > to go off to spend their lives helping members of some far-off, > unrelated tribe? > > > > > > >> Please explain how a person joining a religious order and > >> going off to spend their life working with famine victims in the Third > >> World is advancing their personal, selfish interests. > > > >The opportunity to molest children is the most obvious, > > On Mon, 12 May 2025 17:13:40 +0100, Pamela > wrote: > > >On 16:29 12 May 2025, Martin Harran said: > >> On Mon, 12 May 2025 14:44:57 +0100, Pamela > >> wrote: > >>>On 11:47 12 May 2025, Martin Harran said: > >>>> On 12 May 2025 09:24:53 GMT, Roger Hayter : > >>>>> > >>>>> [SNIP] > >>>>> > >>>>>The amount you eat, not what you eat. Which, to be fair, may be the > >>>>>result of genetic as well as psychological factors. > >>>> > >>>> Overeating can contribute but what you eat is far more significant. > >>>> I speak from personal experience. A few years ago, I was seriously > >>>> overweight. I joined Slimming World and over a period of a year, I > >>>> took off 4 stone. I did not reduce the amount of food I was eating > >>>> but changed the mix of food I was eating - a big emphasise on > >>>> low-fat and high-bulk food. Having 6 cardiac stents, > >>> > >>>Six cardiac stents is a lot! Presumably, the narrowing wasn't severe > >>>enough to warrant a bypass. > >> > >> I got my first 4 way back in 2007 when I was 56. Two of my main > >> arteries were over 90% blocked which warranted a bypass but one of > >> the doctors explained to me that whilst a bypass would be arguably > >> better, the estimated lifespan of a bypass at that time was 15 years > >> so I would possibly need a second one by the time I was in my 70s and > >> they really, really don't like doing second bypasses! Their thinking > >> was that if stents could get me to my 70s and I'd get a bypass then, > >> that would see me out - they don't worry much about what might happen > >> to you when you pass 80 :) > >> > >> I got #5 in 2010 and #6 in 2020. They warned me at the last one that > >> I am likely to need further stents in the near future (though I have > >> managed 5 years) and I have a hunch they will recommend a bypass at > >> that stage. > > > >A 90% blockage of the coronaries by the age of 56 is young! Is there a > >particular health condition causing this, as I find it hard to believe > >it's from poor diet alone? > > Clearly genetic - my dad died from a heart attack and 5 of my brothers > had heart attacks. The funny thing was that I had very minimal chest > pain and thought it was muscular. I only went to the doc because I had > two brothers who had heart attacks in previous 12 months (one of them > younger than me!) and I reckoned that if I did have a heart attack and > told my wife and kids that I had been having chest pains and id > nothing about it, *they* would kill me, lol. > > When the doc checked me, she too reckoned that it was probably only > muscular but informed me that she was sending me to A&E anyway and > warned me that with my family history, I had to be prepared for the > rest of my life that any time I mentioned chest pain I would be sent > immediately to A&E. > > It was only when they did a stress test followed by an angiogram that > they identified how serious my condition was. > > > > >Was stent #6 during Covid? It must have been serious to warrant > >hospital attendance in 2020 at a time of panic and bedlam. > > It was in January 2020, just before Covid. > > > > >Whilst cardiologists have improved blood flow to the coronary arteries, > >what about other arteries supplying the liver or brain, which might be > >blocked. Such a constrained blood supply to vital organs would impair > >important functions. > > Thankfully, I haven't had any other problems. I did have leg pains at > one stage and they checked me for peripheral artery disease but > nothing was found. That was at the time I was seriously overweight and > I haven't been bothered since I got rid of some weight. > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmgiKYkACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x4LJAgArNvdy8KgtkyMOsjkr24KepzmX9gBjp+JnTESV4fUGwpktMdmVkji2kQy VAAz4Srn3lhvIvbCvBJI+JkYyykqMHGS4t/4hNkjF20SZXbcyeZiD1mO1Fw/1WaC KTNn9zfS+5vC25tR7EQxh+vriu5iO1ArcJ4vXJHcshZyYZEj9VhNv5v2WOap1yaz MmMFNt0g4gl/AWECgGmLoIKYb8u0W9AlE6OcbSFGD5AhaOOUv1WN8jEQxNed47ct reXARAZsR0sYqtDtTy5rtVhu/GoKUbI4qba4WB5UTuV30k0KrreZOfXs7a1bRv2p iDYBlyEQCDgy0lKcAN/QW6xDDqg7vA== =8f0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----