From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Fri May 10 17:03:20 2024 Return-path: To: hex at ..seen.ac.am Subject: Re: Re: Auriol Grey Conviction Overturned References: <9522074862.78d8381c@uninhabited.net> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [171534554522239] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 17:03:18 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Fri May 10 13:52:25 2024 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of uni-berlin.de designates 130.133.4.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.133.4.89; envelope-from=mod-submit@uni-berlin.de; helo=outpost5.zedat.fu-berlin.de; > To: uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > From: Norman Wells > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Auriol Grey Conviction Overturned > Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 13:52:20 +0100 > Message-ID: > References: > <9522074862.78d8381c@uninhabited.net> > > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net M2GeMkP3x9ch3fwaMm3MCg9iSsUdW09H+3FP/J68XsyeTR48nq > Cancel-Lock: sha1:qnTIdc1Rlkfrr+CqNTUbLtiHnP4= sha256:TSBWTmBDBhsRGG3rBzNkylVnN/XIDOaB/M8u/dL0rvU= > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 24 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.4 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: > > On 10/05/2024 12:06, The Todal wrote: > > On 09/05/2024 12:08, Jon Ribbens wrote: > >> On 2024-05-08, Spike wrote: > > >>> Keep dragging Ms Grey into court, surely something will stick, seems to be > >>> the message. I think that illustrates the position of these cyclists: a > >>> cyclist died, let’s get someone for it, it simply can’t be the cyclist’s > >>> fault. > >>> > >>> The Appeal Court judges don’t agree. > >> > >> That's not what they said in the slightest. The charges in the original > >> trial weren't defective and may have resulted in a conviction, if the > >> trial had been conducted properly. > > > > Correct. > > No, only if the facts supported the existence of an assault, about which > the Court of Appeal said: > > "There was however no evidence to make the jury sure that the appellant > pushed or in any way touched Mrs Ward" > > as well as: > > "Nothing in judge’s legal directions or in his summary of the evidence > implies that the jury were sure that the appellant committed a common > assault which caused death" > > as well as: > > "We discern no possible grounds for concluding that the jury could > properly have been sure that Mrs Ward apprehended immediate unlawful > violence" > > as well as: > > "Had Mrs Ward not died, we regard it as inconceivable that the appellant > would ever have been charged with assault in circumstances where it > could not be established that she had made any physical contact". > > The case on assault could *not* have been made out, even conceivably. > There was no evidence. It follows the charges were improperly brought. > There was no chance of them being successful. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmY+RUYACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x5GxAf+M23gdHxZ0U9r5kGuSlLx2g8tL/f4V7DdhLYygaycu9Tq5JWV2tEf/J5f Zrjhxly7Ts7QjIlyDiB4DIKLB2OO9Io14zUwgYATvX6yPl7znaw7bBsA9A84XuZo OwyZi+P7dW7vuy4mCcvEGwE5O2x5tr8gc5jFDYuSZszaiFKad2YZGiA8rV7fQEJP +fhYHndAwgV75L95Yod2t4qK1OBvWQpwsYBlM/l5jP9097Yo6EJEbytR7WFMGsGw /O6NETf0x1ddv6KKS/gCcsFG+mfY1EWMlFp9Ud2uI0+nwxwjK0eBZK+7gyX70Pme BD82shJVTymjiRg/KW0MfdxQNJWDxw== =R8YL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----