Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt Subject: New group name vote: The Results Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:53:40 GMT Message-ID: <19971101.215340.46@marketto.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: TTFN version 0.40 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Thanks to everyone who voted. Without further ado, here are the results of the vote that has been going on for the last two weeks. For those who missed the vote, you were asked to choose one favourite from each of the three categories shown below. Total number of votes cast: 72 Number of spoilt ballot papers: 0 Group name ---------- comp.arch.homedesigned 9 sci.engineering.digital.hobbyist 7 comp.homebrew 6 comp.hardware.homebuilt 5 comp.sys.solder 4 comp.home.engineering 3 comp.lang.solder 3 comp.sys.homesoldered.hardware 3 comp.sys.misc.homedesigned 3 sci.electronics.midnight-engineering 3 alt.comp.hardware.non-pc 2 alt.comp.wirewrap 2 comp.sys.design 2 comp.sys.handwired.hardware 2 comp.sys.hardware.homemade 2 sci.electronics.homebuilt.computers 2 alt.comp.hardware.non-store-bought 1 alt.comp.hardware.soldering 1 alt.comp.hardware.wire-wrap 1 alt.comp.homebrew 1 comp.engineering.digital.hobbyist 1 rec.crafts.wirewrap 1 sci.computer.design 1 sci.electronics.hobbyist 1 sci.engineering.hardware 1 Group hierarchy --------------- comp.hardware 13 No preference 12 sci.electronics 9 comp.sys 8 comp.arch 7 comp.engineering 5 alt.comp.hardware 3 comp.homebrew 3 alt.comp 2 rec.crafts 2 sci.computer 2 sci.engineering 2 comp.home 1 comp.lang 1 Group leafname -------------- digital.hobbyist 8 homedesigned 8 homebrew 7 midnight-engineering 6 solder 6 design 5 handwired 4 homebuilt.computers 4 homesoldered 3 soldering 3 wirewrap 3 engineering 1 homemade 1 No preference 1 non-pc 1 non-store-bought 1 Since the number of suggested groups was so large, I quite expected the votes to be spread thinly across the possibilities. I added the separate group hierarchy and group leafname sections to try to restrict the choice a little more to try to produce a clear cut view of opinions. In the event, the three sections have produced fairly consistent results. With strong votes for comp.arch.homedesigned, comp.hardware, and homedesigned, this would suggest an overall support for comp.hardware.homedesigned, a choice not included in the vote because it was never suggested to me. Likewise, the strong support for sci.engineering.digital.hobbyist, sci.electronics and digital.hobbyist, seem to suggest a combination group name of sci.electronics.digital.hobbyist. Therefore, I suggest the choices to be considered are: comp.arch.homedesigned comp.hardware.homedesigned sci.electronics.digital.hobbyist sci.engineering.digital.hobbyist If there is reasonable discussion on the issue, and there is consensus that it is a good idea, I am thinking of running another vote on just these four names in a few weeks time, to decide on the one which we should take as our working title. If there are no objections, I may also consider including in this a question about 'Bot moderation, as suggested by Randy Gardner. I would welcome any comments about these suggestions or the vote itself, either mailed to me or posted to the group. Cheers, Theo -- Theo Markettos Home: theomarkettos@letterbox.com Liphook Work: marketto@prl.research.philips.com Hampshire UK Web site, including HardBack pages http://www.marketto.demon.co.uk/
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt Second Vote Results
Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt Subject: Vote results: New group name and moderation Reply-To: theomarkettos@letterbox.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:47:37 GMT Message-ID: <19971129.124737.02@marketto.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: TTFN version 0.40 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Thanks to everyone who voted in my second vote for finally deciding on a new group name, and on its moderation status. The results are as follows: Number of votes cast: 68 Number of invalid votes: 1 Choice of group name: --------------------- sci.electronics.digital.hobbyist 18 comp.arch.homedesigned 17 comp.hardware.homedesigned 13 No preference 11 sci.engineering.digital.hobbyist 5 Would oppose a new group 4 Should it be robomoderated? --------------------------- Yes 52 No preference 11 No 5 Due to the closeness of the group name vote, I'd like to explain that the invalid vote was received after the deadline had passed, and was for sci.engineering..., so would have made no difference to the final result. Therefore, sci.electronics.digital.hobbyist comes out narrowly as the winner. I've been contacted by Mark Zenier, who was in charge of the sci.electronics reorganisation, to suggest that this be changed to sci.electronics.design.digital.hobbyist. The reason for this is that there were numerous flamewars at the time of the reorganisation on the subject of deciding whether to split it into s.e.analog(ue) or s.e.digital, and the current hierarchy won in the end. The slight modification to produce a name of s.e.design.digital.hobbyist makes it fit in more with the current structure. I can see there is also significant support for comp.arch.homedesigned, so if there is opposition to s.e.design.digital.hobbyist from those who voted for s.e.digital.hobbyist, c.a.h will be chosen as the working name. Note that these may well be vetoed by people on news.* who control the creation process. On the question of moderation, the vote shows there is overwhelming support for it. I've contacted Jan-Derk Bakker, who is in charge of the current cancelbot, and he says it would be fairly easy to convert it to a bot moderator. Now that the group name and moderation status have been decided, the group creation process proper can start. For the purpose of discussing the mechanics of it (charters, RFDs, CFVs etc), a mailing list has been set up. If you want to participate in this, please email me for details of how to subscribe. Comments would be welcomed, either to me or to the group. I'd especially like to know if you voted for s.e.digital.hobbyist and don't like s.e.design.digital.hobbyist. -- Theo Markettos Home: theomarkettos@letterbox.com Liphook Work: marketto@prl.research.philips.com Hampshire UK Web site, including HardBack pages http://www.marketto.demon.co.uk/
alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt Third Vote Results
Subject: Final group name vote: The Results Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:52:58 GMT Message-ID: <19971220.155258.75@marketto.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.40 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59b Thanks to everyone who voted. The final vote is over, and I can now reveal the results. I appreciate my persistent announcements weren't the most interesting content achh's ever had, but I hope the end result is worthwhile. So - the results are: Total number of votes cast: 77 Do you think a new group should be created? ------------------------------------------- Yes 75 No 2 If so, what should it be called? -------------------------------- comp.arch.homedesigned 36 sci.electronics.design.digital.hobbyist 35 No preference (including no creation) 6 Therefore, by the narrowest margin, comp.arch.homedesigned wins. As suggested by B. Vermo, during the past week I have posted to comp.arch.embedded and sci.electronics.design to find out their views of each of the proposed new groups. While there was positive support from comp.arch.embedded, sci.electronics.design was distinctly lukewarm. I think this generally supports the view in favour of comp.arch.homedesigned. On the new group mailing list, we are working towards finalising an RFD, which should hopefully be posted in the New Year. The mailing list would welcome any new subscribers, so if you are interested, please email me. Thanks to everyone for supporting (and opposing) the creation process. Hopefully we should finally be getting somewhere... Cheers, Theo -- Theo Markettos Home: theomarkettos@letterbox.com Liphook Work: marketto@prl.research.philips.com Hampshire UK Web site, including HardBack pages http://www.marketto.demon.co.uk/
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