[Uram-rejections] Dutch nationally distributed repeater systems and possibilities for UK

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 Might be considered provocative in some interpretation. You could try rephrasing to clarify.



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> From: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." <kinvig.netta at ntlworld.com>
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> Subject: Re: Dutch nationally distributed repeater systems and possibilities for UK
> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:46:47 -0000
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> "Stephen Thomas Cole" <usenet at stephenthomascole.com> wrote in message 
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> > Wimpie <wimabctel at tetech.nl> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In my experience, troublemakers feed on reaction and if they're ignored
> >>> they eventually go away.
> >>
> >> Most Amateurs over here have the same opinion and operate based on this
> >> opinion. I believe there is some inverse relation between the signal to
> >> noise ratio of conversations and the probability of "activating"
> >> troublemakers.
> >
> > Yes, agreed. Now you mention it, the conversations that I've heard jammed
> > have tended to be more "casual ragchew" than technical chatter. I wonder 
> > if
> > there's conclusions to infer from that about the type of person doing the
> > jamming... does it suggest a likelihood that the jammer is a license 
> > holder
> > with stuffy ideas about what calibre of conversation should be 
> > transmitted?
> > Food for thought.
> >
> >>> Closing down receivers that are allowing jammers
> >>> into the system would resolve a problem in the short term but it's very
> >>> likely to incite the jammer to chase for the same reaction again, and
> >>> again, and so on. That said, with a nationwide system, leaving a jammed
> >>> receiver operational brings the whole thing to a grinding halt.
> >>
> >> Doing nothing renders the systems useless, so temporary disabling a
> >> receiver (or some receivers) keeps the system on the air only affecting
> >> a limited area.
> >>
> >> Most unlicensed transmissions are from people using portable equipment
> >> with bad antennas, so only a small number of receivers is affected.
> >> When Ameteurs with a good setup misbehave (due to intoxication or some
> >> disorder?), then short term options are limited. PA-country is small and
> >> relatively flat, so somebody with say 50W at the antenna and a good
> >> antenna installation may reach >50% of all receivers.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> You say that the benefits outweigh the negatives, though. What's the
> >>> approximate balance of peaceful operation to jammed? 80% vs 20%? 90% vs
> >>> 10%?
> >>
> >> Fortunately it is better then 90% vs 10%, thanks to the users and not to
> >> forget the repeater team.
> >
> > That's good to hear, and reassuring. The disruptive element is only a very
> > small minority, that's always worth remembering even if it's hard to in 
> > the
> > middle of listening to a jammed repeater!
> >
> some disruptive elements only behave themselves when things are controlled 
> by a third party ...... 
> 
> 
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