On 17 Jul 2014, at 10:38, Ian Batten <igb at batten.eu.org> wrote: > But he was there as a speaker, and > a very good one at that, and I'm not sure that he learned much that he didn't already know. By which I mean "he was already well-informed, so that he was present at a meeting of experts wasn't surprising". I realise it could be read rather differently... ian