From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Tue Mar 10 20:43:07 2026 Return-path: To: thanks-to at ..f.com Subject: Re: quacks kill - petition to save victims References: <10opk6f$iqb3$1@paganini.bofh.team> In-Reply-To: <10opk6f$iqb3$1@paganini.bofh.team> Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [177316355328627] reject offtopic Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 20:43:07 +0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This appears to the moderator to be off-topic for uk.legal.moderated or has insufficient law-related material. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Tue Mar 10 17:25:53 2026 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Authentication-Results: mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=paganini.bofh.team > Delivered-To: uk-legal-moderated@moderators.isc.org > X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at paganini.bofh.team > To: uk-legal-moderated@moderators.isc.org > From: =?UTF-8?Q?Niocl=C3=A1s_P=C3=B3l_Caile=C3=A1n?= de Ghloucester > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: quacks kill - petition to save victims > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 17:25:37 -0000 (UTC) > Organization: To protect and to server > Message-ID: <10opk6f$iqb3$1@paganini.bofh.team> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Injection-Info: ; logging-data=""; posting-host="aIceeGQb8jijFuR6cTD++g.user."; mail-complaints-to=""; posting-account="0QswjaYhSFe02wLyCW2nvA"; > User-Agent: tin/2.6.2-20221225 ("Pittyvaich") (Linux/6.1.0-38-amd64 (x86_64)) > X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 36 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.6 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Authentication-Results: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: From: > > HTTPS://WWW.change.org/p/matthew-hancock-mp-stop-the-deaths-of-100-000-people-by-giving-people-in-care-the-support-they-deserve > is saying: > "Stop the deaths of 100,000 people by giving people in care the > support they deserve. > [. . .] > Decision Makers: Professor Sir Simon Wessely +5 > 16 Updates > The Issue > Every year more than 100,000 people die in care, that’s almost one > person dying every 5 minutes. That’s someone’s Mum, Dad, Son, > Daughter, Brother or Sister. Families are left devastated, often > without answers and many are prevented from finding out what > happened. > > The victims (and their families), many of whom have been forcibly > imprisoned into care through NHS England’s 54 specialist mental health > trusts, deserve better. > > Cases of misdiagnosis are common. Leading to life changing conditions > such as PTSD for those trapped, forcibly drugged, threatened, > assaulted by those responsible for their care and their inactions, > often due to the many complex pressures of the job imposed by those at > the highest levels. > > We are funding a new charitable trust: > > Giving all patients the care they deserve. > Ensuring cases of misdiagnosis are reduced by prioritising those > needing care. > Independently review the unverified medical records, fabricated > statements, false allegations & hearsay used to ‘section’ people > (using the MHA). > Ultimately, drastically reduce the 100,000+ deaths (to realistic > targets to be agreed). > Change legislation to make it illegal to detain a person, without a > thorough investigation to the allegations of poor mental health > without first performing due diligence on their claims. > Develop the technologies needed to support a person through their > care. Giving the person the ability to follow simple processes to > challenge their detention and present their evidence clearly if they > claim a misdiagnosis is being made. > Fully independent legal support to challenge the decisions and > compensate victims of misdiagnosis or where their health further > deteriorated or ended in their death. > Further details here in the press: > > [. . .] > > Thank you for your support! > > The team at > #QBAIN > > [. . .] > > Allister Frost > Petition Starter" > > Quacks do misdiagnose often. Cf. > > @article{On_Being_Sane_in_Insane_Places__Science, > author = {Rosenhan, D. L.}, > title = {{On Being Sane in Insane Places}}, > journal = {Science}, > volume = {179}, > number = {4070}, > pages = {250--258}, > year = {1973} > } > > @article{1973-xy-za_On_Being_Sane_in_Insane_Places__Santa_Clara_Lawyer.pdf, > title = {{On Being Sane in Insane Places}}, > author = {Rosenhan, D. L.}, > pages = {379--399}, > journal = {Santa Clara Lawyer}, > volume = {13}, > number = {3}, > year = {1973} > } > > @article{On_Being_Sane_in_Insane_Places__j.1467-6478.2007.00406.x.pdf, > author = {Gostin, Lawrence O.}, > title = {{From a Civil Libertarian to a Sanitarian}}, > journal = {Journal of Law and Society}, > pages = {594--616}, > year = {2007}, > volume = {34}, > number = {4} > } > > (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmmwglsACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x4p2Qf/djDgQ0SfsXERtjpH4+zLD83uk7YEPZxwd7luQJRqi6LLWrPWJBbBvIDm c2xPOAn87W3IJYWQsMHw73Vb3z0CzHFpYUT470L4PSOy1E/p3w0ucmE6T3Nk8TZE y5IDbkh6y29lI3z6D2Sw01Rwr4FkBGAMW9VEXXOfdg2X7+7fDvjwuohIfLO23af8 i1yvrGhuVPPXHPSBM5K8JMxGt3zr5YsNiXCPde0rUDUS/BiKK1HxEr2AGNmJCS5G 829uCrxeh3M0P8MhnHVk3BT4BbWCf9QMKiazT6WneD5xbatHL+wVKpRlLuonkfDe WfLYEK2Qlv5ILQTuvzKccw1CjUkF6g== =2mhn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----