From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Sat Dec 27 17:50:46 2025 Return-path: To: JNugent73 at ..il.com Subject: Re: Re: General Election Timing References: <7977065694.48df8585@uninhabited.net> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [17668529037848] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2025 17:50:45 +0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Sat Dec 27 16:28:23 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Authentication-Results: mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=uni-berlin.de; dkim=pass header.d=uni-berlin.de header.s=fub01 header.a=rsa-sha256 > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:From: Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:In-Reply-To: References; bh=GedZihXa/Q09Eftsq+sGu6RwGyh3eTdWl5OG7LGNieM=; t=1766852897; x=1767457697; b=YNo1YHAmEbQl7Afx3M7TSzphckLoit9LTxqyeP44+VPV+Tz5okZ/Rkbx1DZnj iTltH0j4cLyueY > From: JNugent > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: General Election Timing > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2025 16:28:16 +0000 > Organization: Home User > Message-ID: > References: > > > <7977065694.48df8585@uninhabited.net> > > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net 4QA4ecOAjM7wxzfby++dIQ/aQpgpIixZ0ILh3QC6Vybk04yh/q > Cancel-Lock: sha1:Q1ITWtsTtH/pQ9kvrMHjB+Wr90M= sha256:2Q9C56nxVohcxaCF+pYBt6tsU/HUEJES4gMtrYSOyP8= > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Content-Language: en-US > X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 251227-2, 12/27/2025), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 68 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=6.8 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Authentication-Results: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 26/12/2025 08:32 pm, Sam Plusnet wrote: > > On 26/12/2025 15:22, Spike wrote: > >> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>> On 2025-12-25, Spike wrote: > >>>> Roger Hayter wrote: > >>>>> On 25 Dec 2025 at 12:59:06 GMT, "Spike" wrote: > >>>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>> On 2025-12-24, Spike wrote: > >>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 2025-12-24, Owen Rees wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On 23/12/2025 in message > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure I read of a member of the government - female as it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> happens - saying less than a week ago that she could not rule > >>>>>>>>>>>>> out delaying the next General Election. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you didn't. Well, unless you mean you read it in a > >>>>>>>>>>>> lunatic Facebook post or something. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> JNugent probably did, I saw it on Facebook which is what > >>>>>>>>>>> triggered my OP. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Facebook has a search feature. It is not difficult to find the > >>>>>>>>>> messages about an interview on Sky News where Trevor Phillips > >>>>>>>>>> asked Labour Party Chairman Anna Turley about delaying the > >>>>>>>>>> general election. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have not seen the interview itself so I do not know how > >>>>>>>>>> accurate the > >>>>>>>>>> reports are. The messages seem to be posted by Reform UK > >>>>>>>>>> supporters or > >>>>>>>>>> media that is hostile to the Labour government. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> My impression is that most politicians avoid making > >>>>>>>>>> commitments about > >>>>>>>>>> hypothetical future issues. I would need to see the whole > >>>>>>>>>> original > >>>>>>>>>> interview to decide if this was unusual. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Someone else has recently posted a link to the interview on Sky > >>>>>>>>> News. > >>>>>>>>> But that clip is cut short before the end of the interview, and > >>>>>>>>> it would > >>>>>>>>> appear from the Huffington Post link posted by someone else > >>>>>>>>> that the > >>>>>>>>> snipped part includes her saying explicitly "There are no plans > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> a change to the general election". Even the bit that wasn't > >>>>>>>>> snipped > >>>>>>>>> includes Phillips asking "Might that be a reason to put off a > >>>>>>>>> general > >>>>>>>>> election in 2028/29?" and her answering "No". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You seem to have fallen in to the trap of assuming that the ”No” > >>>>>>>> was a > >>>>>>>> response to there not being a reason to delay the 2029 General > >>>>>>>> Election > >>>>>>>> whereas it was a response to a posed reason for not doing so. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> No, you are just making false assumptions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No, you are failing to read (or listen, as the case may be) > >>>>>> properly, and > >>>>>> so not understand what is being said or not said. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the extant case, the lady *did not* rule out the prospect of > >>>>>> the next > >>>>>> General Election being postponed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nor was she asked to do so. Nor did she rule out the whole government > >>>>> emigrating to Alpha Centauri. The whole thing is a tawdry fabrication. > >>>> > >>>> ”The presenter replied: “What I’m not hearing is that this Labour > >>>> government can’t see any circumstances by which you would choose to > >>>> do what > >>>> you’ve done in local authorities and delay a general election, > >>>> which, I’ve > >>>> got to say, I’m finding surprising, that you can’t just say, ’no > >>>> general > >>>> election will go beyond the five-year term.” She replied: “Of course a > >>>> general election will come.” > >>>> > >>>> Now work out the relationship between ’…of course a General Election > >>>> will > >>>> come” and ”There will be postponement of the General Election”. > >>>> > >>>> In case you hadn’t noticed , and you don’t seem be be alone in this, > >>>> the > >>>> former statement doesn’t rule out the latter. > >> > >>> Whereas you haven't noticed the other things she said > >> > >> What she said never included a definitive statement that the next General > >> Election would not be delayed or postponed. > >> > >> Talk about ’no plans to do so’ has no worth whatsoever. > > > > > > Had you asked that same question prior to WWII, a member of the then > > government could have answered either: > > > > "We have no plans to do so." - which you reject as worthless. > > > > Or, they could have given an absolute assurance they would never do such > > a thing - only to break that pledge shortly after. > > > > Tell us which reply would make you happy? > > The one which was capable of being proven to be a lie. > > That is, a proper commitment. > > Of course. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmlQHHUACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x5fWwf+PrYlNcWbNiizIqR+QdWBWOOHAdi/VK3ISTuXGHzfmNgFONjaFGTWjuDX CX1oPwMfgqCQ3E5StXpko/teeXdgwHP5RPc+H127b4Vw0OI8WJoDcTdN09O4sZBQ eJGeXGWXt1DgDvwhdllSCOMqJDyW2eNDBIaunN+FWeLW94Deew7X9SwPNiE4aJjE sMVYb/LY5FI588Ou7h3DGyVz13ePOcBc/onZLKnxrcvc+DkUJPSGSL9Q04bSIeDZ VD14yqW4Hcbna7uTFFRCPxW5y9tf1P+UeF78vtakoEwF/Q3UZRvEUMX8hL1VS1eL cJuywV/pbNev/mLZmmx68rkYwDhFXg== =vszA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----