From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Thu Dec 11 12:27:54 2025 Return-path: To: hex at ..seen.ac.am Subject: Re: Re: Budget details leaked References: <10geich$gc0t$22@dont-email.me> <3PH2HEgcv8KpFAYv@perry.uk> <9etkj2IrpXNpFARJ@perry.uk> <1mom9vN+3+NpFADH@perry.uk> <7yGlYEEKjoOpFA6a@perry.uk> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [1765449665930] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 12:27:52 +0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Thu Dec 11 10:41:05 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Authentication-Results: mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=uni-berlin.de; dkim=pass header.d=uni-berlin.de header.s=fub01 header.a=rsa-sha256 > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:From: Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:In-Reply-To: References; bh=vn8vQtELdF8sTWoJdvMmluZianF1RKnv9ywfUGgs9t4=; t=1765449659; x=1766054459; b=EzJ172kn8UO8PsTThkH3dP2sk14nfNZmTK5kRJ2X1D5pE76SJmDhHHhfryIM1 ieD5XAp07PPkWQ > From: Norman Wells > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Budget details leaked > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 10:40:56 +0000 > Message-ID: > References: > <10geich$gc0t$22@dont-email.me> <3PH2HEgcv8KpFAYv@perry.uk> > > > > > > <9etkj2IrpXNpFARJ@perry.uk> > <1mom9vN+3+NpFADH@perry.uk> > > <7yGlYEEKjoOpFA6a@perry.uk> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net /JkPj8MNIznjlWAcEg3reQZydur80LersTgoeUblKiM10Km03I > Cancel-Lock: sha1:JEIQN0LJOMShvV3X6TRosCY9wZE= sha256:fWmY8LSM5gOLbggxzMGh6rT7QQBXC3Fu7CAxFwXxhd8= > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 54 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=5.4 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Authentication-Results: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 11/12/2025 09:03, Roland Perry wrote: > > > One of the main characteristics of the vote was people who were > > fundamentally Remainers, expected an overwhelming Remain result, but who > > voted Leave "To give Cameron a bloody nose". The unintended consequence > > of this was, the vote came out as the famous wafer-thin majority to Leave. > > Well, that's what you tell yourself, but it seems very unlikely as a > reason for 108 voters wanting to leave for every 100 who wanted to remain. > > > One of my main objectives, nine years later, is to say to people voting > > in future elections/referenda: "DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT AGAIN, YOU STUPID > > PEOPLE". > > They were promised that it was a once in a generation decision so, a > generation being 30 years or thereabouts, they won't be given another > referendum on the matter until 2046 at the earliest, by which time > everyone will be used to the status quo, will not want to be forced into > changing the currency to Euros, may not want open borders with all and > sundry from Europe, may not want to be made to subsidise the club Med, > and may not wish to be bound by silly greenie unscientific nonsense, > just as examples. > > And then there's the matter of how large a supermajority that Remainers > complained so much about in connection with the one in 2016, should be > demanded. What's your view on that? 60:40 perhaps? > > >>> The original claim which was made to me by a Brexiteer was before we > >>> joined he used to go on holiday to France (or wherever) and only ever > >>> have to wave the passport cover, even at Channel ports. He insisted > >>> that  once we'd left the EU then this ease of travel would be > >>> reinstated.  Which was clearly not going to happen. > >> > >> It didn't change at first. Even today, it's hardly different. At > >> Dover, you always had to hand over your passport (whether to the ferry > >> operator or latterly, French border control) and now they stamp one of > >> the visa pages. > > > > Except there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that fifty or sixty years > > ago all you had to do was to wave the cover of your passport. > > That was for getting out of the country, about which no-one cared. It > was getting into another one where passport and border checks were > required. 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