From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Wed Oct 15 12:05:26 2025 Return-path: To: JNugent73 at ..il.com Subject: Re: Re: Avoiding the embarrassment of protests References: <10c8gac$2rtg6$1@dont-email.me> <10c8i6u$2sn5n$1@dont-email.me> <10c8nfo$30417$1@dont-email.me> <10c97eh$3abph$2@dont-email.me> <10can8b$3vq5f$1@dont-email.me> <10car42$12ac$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [176052370231230] reject abuse Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:05:26 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. Your message appears to the moderator to be abusive or hurtful to another contributor. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Wed Oct 15 11:21:42 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Authentication-Results: mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=uni-berlin.de; dkim=pass header.d=uni-berlin.de header.s=fub01 header.a=rsa-sha256 > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:From: Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:In-Reply-To: References; bh=O+n+pQakE5Qquzt40po1L1JfbySvpZHub/ZCzSMUmsI=; t=1760523697; x=1761128497; b=Sp0NZE462zNaa7V2KchDEWRK1Wgubx5kcnFhWKuph33VeXuNMZ5JEXZ9w6DHD VQCXOIOnu9yseh > From: JNugent > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Avoiding the embarrassment of protests > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 11:21:35 +0100 > Organization: Home User > Message-ID: > References: <10c8gac$2rtg6$1@dont-email.me> > <10c8i6u$2sn5n$1@dont-email.me> > <10c8nfo$30417$1@dont-email.me> > > <10c97eh$3abph$2@dont-email.me> > > <10can8b$3vq5f$1@dont-email.me> > > <10car42$12ac$1@dont-email.me> > > > > > > > > > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net cPDkLi7NDHYq5xJxB9Xx0AOBBm4ECcaD3uZMiuMBd6MdZQPsog > Cancel-Lock: sha1:YqviEzo08xL/tKin+y56zcpbEZo= sha256:sSSSWXOMVIc5iqSDA3eVDDlgWac8tEjvAbcUF0vNUzo= > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Content-Language: en-US > X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 251015-0, 10/15/2025), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 68 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=6.8 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Authentication-Results: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 15/10/2025 09:47 am, Norman Wells wrote: > > On 14/10/2025 14:04, JNugent wrote: > >> On 14/10/2025 09:02 AM, Norman Wells wrote: > >>> On 13/10/2025 23:09, JNugent wrote: > >>>> On 13/10/2025 04:42 PM, Norman Wells wrote: > >>>>> On 13/10/2025 12:44, JNugent wrote: > >>>>>> On 13/10/2025 09:28 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>> On 2025-10-13, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 12/10/2025 in message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 2025-10-12, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2025 in message > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-10-11, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2025 in message > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must say that I thought that people were silly to get hung > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up on the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use of the word terrorist, but apparently the issue isn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. So, Parliament will need to devote some time to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> producing a new > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> act that deals with the likes of PA without using the T word. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For absolutely the last time: the problem. is not. the use. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> word. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> "terrorist". It is. the use. of anti-terrorist powers. against > >>>>>>>>>>>>> people. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> who are not. terrorists. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just for clarity presumably that is your opinion rather than a > >>>>>>>>>>>> statement > >>>>>>>>>>>> of fact? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> No, it's a statement of fact. The word "terrorism" means using > >>>>>>>>>>> violence > >>>>>>>>>>> and intimidation in the support of a political aim, i.e. the > >>>>>>>>>>> instilling > >>>>>>>>>>> of terror. Palestine Action didn't do that. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Again your opinion I think. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In what way? I haven't seen anyone claiming that they have > >>>>>>>>> intimidated > >>>>>>>>> or terrorised anyone - have you? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In the way that the government specifies what is terrorism but you > >>>>>>>> disagree, you are entitled to your opinion but the government's > >>>>>>>> definition > >>>>>>>> is what people should work with. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Er, no. I am going with the dictionary definition. The government > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>> specify definitions in law but that only matters to judges in court. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your saying "Er, no" does not negate the facts. Parliament, through > >>>>>> powers given to ministers, has classified PA as a terrorist > >>>>>> organisation, as defined within the relevant Act. The dictionary > >>>>>> definition is not relevant in these circumstances. And you know that. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can disagree that the branding / classification/ whatever should > >>>>>> have been done, but arguing that they are not terrorists when they > >>>>>> plainly *are* (as defined in legislation) is pointless. > >>>>> > >>>>> It has also branded as terrorists little old ladies sitting peacefully > >>>>> with placards, or they would not be prosecuted under the Terrorism > >>>>> Act. > >>>> > >>>> Age and sex are not exemptions from having to comply with the law. > >>>> > >>>> You know that. And you know that the law is not aimed at "little old > >>>> ladies". It is aimed at anyone with an itch to disobey the law in > >>>> order to stick it to the man, the citizen and the taxpayer. > >>> > >>> But it has been aimed, in the main, at little old ladies (and gentlemen) > >>> peacefully doing nothing more than holding placards. > >> > >> Wrong. > >> > >> It has been aimed at everyone. > >> > >> Even you. > > > > How come the vast majority of arrests that have been made have been in > > the demographic I described then?  They have been deliberately targeted, > > presumably because they're easy prey. > > You are being deliberately obtuse. > > Arrests are made when people are reasonably suspected of having > committed the offence. > > You are concentrating on "little old ladies". > > Are they the only ones arrested? *IF* so, they're the only ones > committing the offence. > > But somehow, I suspect that there are other arrestees whose cases are > being overlooked. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmjvf/YACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x7qlgf9E8agUa3zDlrHsocsQ123UFfTKJhRHpd7h1SA7iRDBzjsM2/KviFQrjVC m0Q8tOwc8XdGeAcyu554U2MFGDJdFsDYk8IoGTFFKhC/zP6tWGtylhgWHWYD6Xgg 9Qg6qaOm9gU8O9lfyzl0rk8bZp94CE2/k2KgirE6De4+kku/FN1yCPNPwtgJzabe 2KCZ73URLCw76qhzxvEGj/2rlGX1tZLpS0A812U+zg0L6p0FU7g+pRH1hEbEYuuz E9aCkTTeuQPVNW+slT8VhM63W6lrDA46/U3NRXZLltNBn3RKtQm20Rma7VV2jAPs PH6urVE+dCudkoVhmGCH6iYn7M0GlA== =U80a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----