From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Fri Jul 18 00:44:49 2025 Return-path: To: JNugent73 at ..il.com Subject: Re: Re: Bob Vylan References: <9432135386.260828aa@uninhabited.net> <8381747599.6a73447e@uninhabited.net> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [175279553819071] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:44:48 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Fri Jul 18 00:38:58 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: none (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of uni-berlin.de" does not provide an SPF record) client-ip=130.133.4.89; envelope-from="mod-submit@uni-berlin.de"; helo=outpost5.zedat.fu-berlin.de; > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mbuubToAeMgmiiPU49AiJ5eTsigcJ5wQTgtoIZOWOVk=; t=1752795537; x=1753400337; b=fVqVUEBZC/eP/53 > From: JNugent > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Bob Vylan > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2025 00:38:56 +0100 > Organization: Home User > Message-ID: > References: <9432135386.260828aa@uninhabited.net> <8381747599.6a73447e@uninhabited.net> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net 1nb5sZakjXtTQ9bOSTV9xAtbPbh2RK9zI9RhkxXzLChu/cIw/k > Cancel-Lock: sha1:xGHZoDJzQpMPvbcgNhQF/B6YElg= sha256:1SV6vx5L68Hl+0u+MnU/paldcTPCrFX0EjvDcgC7X5k= > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 > X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 250717-6, 7/17/2025), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 43 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 17/07/2025 02:38 PM, The Todal wrote: > > On 17/07/2025 14:17, JNugent wrote: > >> On 17/07/2025 10:17 AM, The Todal wrote: > >>> On 16/07/2025 13:55, JNugent wrote: > >>>> On 16/07/2025 11:02 AM, The Todal wrote: > >>>>> On 16/07/2025 10:20, Spike wrote: > >>>>>> Roger Hayter wrote: > >>>>>>> On 15 Jul 2025 at 10:40:36 BST, "Spike" wrote: > >>>>>>>> Roger Hayter wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 14 Jul 2025 at 11:10:45 BST, "Spike" > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> […] > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Quite how you square this with Hamas’ declared aim, which had > >>>>>>>>>> never been > >>>>>>>>>> rescinded, of wiping Israel and its Jewish citizens of the map, > >>>>>>>>>> using > >>>>>>>>>> unIslamic methods, is quite unclear. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, whoever told you this was a liar, because their > >>>>>>>>> declared aim > >>>>>>>>> has been comprehensibly rescinded and replaced with a proposal for > >>>>>>>>> a Palestine > >>>>>>>>> were Jews and Arabs could live together. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You may not believe their intentions - that is a credible point of > >>>>>>>>> view, but > >>>>>>>>> irrelevant. The statement you quoted, that Hamas' genocidal aim > >>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>> never been > >>>>>>>>> rescinded, is simply the statement of a liar. Unfortunately. I'd > >>>>>>>>> check your > >>>>>>>>> sources. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ah! So for the last eight years Hamas never fired rockets into > >>>>>>>> Israel, > >>>>>>>> armed themselves to the teeth, or planned, trained for, and > >>>>>>>> executed > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> October 7th massacre? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Why were they doing this? Was it just the excusable exuberance of > >>>>>>>> well-armed fundamentalists on Hamas’ part? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If Hamas is armed like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist, and > >>>>>>>> acts > >>>>>>>> like a > >>>>>>>> terrorist, well, it’s a terrorist. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Someone is pulling your leg. Fortunately Israel is made of sterner > >>>>>>>> stuff, > >>>>>>>> and doesn’t believe the window-dressing claptrap. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think you have two things confused. I did not argue with you about > >>>>>>> Hamas' > >>>>>>> behaviour. I have indeed noticed it. I argued with you about an a > >>>>>>> false > >>>>>>> statement about Hamas' published *policy*. If you want to talk > >>>>>>> about > >>>>>>> Hamas' > >>>>>>> behaviour then I for one am not going to argue about it. But you > >>>>>>> said > >>>>>>> they had > >>>>>>> not rescinded their published policy. That is false. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You really do not need to make false statements about written > >>>>>>> policies in > >>>>>>> order to make your point about Hamas' terrorist behaviour. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The key issue linking this is the authority from which Hamas’ > >>>>>> behaviour is > >>>>>> drawn; the two are inextricably connected which stems from its > >>>>>> policies, > >>>>>> published or otherwise. Hamas isn’t making this up as they go along. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>> thousands of rockets launched at Israel on the morning of October 7th > >>>>>> came > >>>>>> about as the result of a probably long-standing policy. So did the > >>>>>> planning, training, and execution of the attack by the eight armed > >>>>>> brigades > >>>>>> and sundry hangers-on. None of this was made up on the hoof, it was > >>>>>> financed and planned over a couple of years as part of an overarching > >>>>>> policy, viz one of the destruction of Israel. Perhaps you could show > >>>>>> us the > >>>>>> published Hamas ‘what lovely people we are’ document and explain > >>>>>> why it > >>>>>> isn’t being followed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In regard to Hamas, I’m reminded of Bert Harris’ comment that “They > >>>>>> sowed > >>>>>> the wind, now they are reaping the whirlwind”. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Or as Corporal Jones used to note: they don’t like it up ‘em. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> But perhaps you've got this all wrong. Perhaps Hamas are delighted > >>>>> with > >>>>> the current situation. Hamas, and for that matter the government of > >>>>> Iran, don't give a shit about the slaughter of civilians > >>>>> perpetrated by > >>>>> the IDF and latterly by the Americans. They may even be delighted. > >>>> > >>>> That does not militate against a word of what Spike wrote. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> What Spike wrote was, they don't like it up 'em. > >> > >> He wrote a good deal more than that. Did you read it all? > >> > >>> They are reaping the > >>> whirlwind. Who's "they" in that context? Babies and children? Did any > >>> of them do anything to upset Israel? > >> > >> Read all of what he wrote and the answer to that is there. > >> > > > > The answer is that in his opinion the sins of Hamas must be visited upon > > the innocent people of Gaza, one hundred fold. > > He didn't say that. > > Why do you say he did? > > > And that is a genocidal attitude. > > Even though you have no basis for concluding it? > > > Maybe you have misunderstood what he said. Or else, you don't much care > > if genocide is inflicted on Gaza. > > I didn't misunderstand it, if at all, anything like as much as you must > have. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmh5ivAACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x7p7gf/XRc+KCbSNlohT8ff8otv+VyOKPtfV1cl0NxD/NIGy3Dp/Dhdvo6LxkXr NbmsvAAYZkmYJpMQA072bbs9NLNa28KJIF7krKTbtLgMYDga39NKDmo8w76YLJPj uX3X87EwtGO1gEoVQ9bX4Xof+x+KAcO87JvSXqURnnNm3z/VtR0XjsYAlVhLtA+8 CFYzzmr+tyZ1opUXAUXd8tizMkXcju5Lu5aF5bajhpOZs5oY3FmzMbA8cYQAH4kr m32xfd4js2s53et2NH96+psYZ0csJbMjH4VgybvBT/YCFlbPfvrcH/aGuEB44Axr rWsJq81ACOpgQ6qhR3+HUqorSpQMig== =w+cm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----