From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Sun Jul 06 20:45:11 2025 Return-path: To: billy at ..on.com Subject: Re: Re: Probate - a Chocolate Teapot? References: <104eijr$2d3gi$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: <104eijr$2d3gi$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [17518299526136] reject mistake Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:45:10 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. The moderator assumes that you posted this by mistake. It may be that it quotes a previous post without adding your own comment, or the text you have added may appear incomplete. We hope you will review and then re-submit your message. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Sun Jul 06 20:25:51 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-cam-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of eternal-september.org designates 95.216.221.164 as permitted sender) client-ip=95.216.221.164; envelope-from=news@eternal-september.org; helo=smtp.eternal-september.org; > Authentication-Results: name/8240D5FF10; dmarc=fail (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=anon.com > To: uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > From: "billy bookcase" > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Probate - a Chocolate Teapot? > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 20:25:38 +0100 > Organization: A noiseless patient Spider > Message-ID: <104eijr$2d3gi$1@dont-email.me> > Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2025 21:25:48 +0200 (CEST) > Cancel-Lock: sha1:CNajwiwzOE15kIhaweVvwgQKF6U= > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/rWGUvg3yPMIpjtmrssIfHkVYKFUOFOSce0jVJaz/PCg== > X-Priority: 3 > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on smtp.eternal-september.org > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 70 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=7.0 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: X-Spam-Checker-Version: > > > "billy bookcase" wrote in message news:... > > > > "Norman Wells" wrote in message > > news:mcvfapF9m7gU2@mid.individual.net... > >> On 06/07/2025 13:48, billy bookcase wrote: > >> > >>> The difficulty there, and why and how this scam works is that distant relatives > >>> might not even be aware of the existance of their deceased relative in the first > >>> place; let alone that they'd died, that they'd died intestate; or that they had > >>> been worth anything at all. > >> > >> Exactly. But, although the Hungarians were involved in a clear fraud, you could argue > >> that the *legal* beneficiaries of the estate in such a case as you say don't usually > >> have much of a *moral* entitlement to it anyway so it's hard to have much sympathy for > >> them. > >> > >> In the case first mentioned in this thread for example: > >> > >> "Lisa and Nicole were upset to hear about the death of their aunt, Christine > >> Harverson" > >> > >> Oh, poor dears! It must have been such a shock. > > > > It was indeed. > > > > quote: > > > > Lisa and Nicole were upset to hear about the death of their aunt, Christine Harverson, > > whom they had not seen since their early childhood. They were also shocked to be told > > that they stood to inherit her entire estate, > > > > :unquote > > > >> > >> "whom they had not seen since their early childhood." > >> > >> Ah, I see. > >> > >> I bet they were actually overjoyed rather than upset when they heard of their good > >> fortune for so little effort, even though someone else tried to deprive them of it. > >> > >> It's sadly not clear from the article whether they actually contested it, but they'd > >> have surely found the money somehow to do so since the estate contained a house 'worth > >> nearly £1m'. I know I would. > > : > > > > It is actually all too clear > > > > quote: > > > > Lisa and Nicole were told they would have to bring a civil action if they wanted > > to prove that the will was a fake. That would cost tens of thousands of pounds > > which they do not have. > > > > Lisa now says she sometimes wishes she had never been told about the will in > > the first place: "All it's done is bring misery really, and heartache. It's > > just a whole nightmare." > > > > ::unquote > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2390x51zqo > > > > "Sadly", given that they don't have the tens of thousands of pounds to launch a Civil > > Action, neither do they have the tens of thousands of pounds which would be necessary > > to launch a suit for defamation either > > > > Which I won't repeat > > > > The second house worth, nearly £!m never belonged to their aunt BTW; but was part of > > a secondary scam > > > > So that given the total value of the one house estate, plus the fact they would be > > unlikly to recover their costs from the defendant, *plus the accompanying aggravation* > > they simply decided to call it a day > > > > It can actually help to read these articles fully, you know,. > > > Can't it just ! > > > bb > > > > > > > > > bb > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmhq0kYACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x56rwgArHwJY3+u3a+Ix2PmfHXE6sq6K5O0ZSZSrlQKb9ByKKJKHMmeFkin4eQa PRHRzYzjRrUbY34zjv9uTfD9Sji9aER0uLjOIiBtYl96XaAZMkaLsMS5QP5OIMSM zpSoB6sdbLFptMM4/myAUI5puZcL7GCZ4D9jmdmJfxJlRzCufgvb0EDCq38biTF5 UC3aa+DyBUWm7vFBv45NLIC9cM1sYTR18lvBAXQKFsDKtjrW34LdJ1M0oc6gj7PQ XyaZvqyaMbqVvOZYBjTHLKmNYAbQM42GPIRo5hTp2hAnqrl4ifrssN2lKqKS5gzW 9q7VrGOySIRlk5SrLCEoTq3q9l/rCw== =x4GB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----