From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Wed Jul 02 16:51:41 2025 Return-path: To: martinharran at ..ail.com Subject: Re: Re: Bob Vylan References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [175146220817251] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2025 16:51:41 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Wed Jul 02 14:16:48 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: softfail (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: transitioning domain of admin.omicronmedia.com does not designate 178.33.140.132 as permitted sender) client-ip=178.33.140.132; envelope-from=news-admin@admin.omicronmedia.com; helo=newsfeed.bofh.team; > Delivered-To: uk-legal-moderated@moderators.isc.org > To: uk-legal-moderated@moderators.isc.org > From: Martin Harran > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Bob Vylan > Message-ID: > References: > User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Organization: Newshosting.com - Highest quality at a great price! www.newshosting.com > Bytes: 2749 > Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2025 14:16:41 +0100 > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 0 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: > > On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 11:22:05 +0100, The Todal > wrote: > > >On 01/07/2025 09:07, Martin Harran wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 08:36:01 -0000 (UTC), Jon Ribbens > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2025-06-30, Martin Harran wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 13:50:13 +0100, The Todal > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> During his performance at Glastonbury, he led a chant of "Death, death > >>>>> to the IDF". > >>>>> > >>>>> But does this break any laws? It isn't antisemitic and it cannot cause > >>>>> the audience to go and commit acts of violence towards the Israeli army, > >>>>> can it? > >>>>> > >>>>> It may be extremist, but it accurately reflects the indignation of most > >>>>> decent people in the UK towards the behaviour of the IDF in Gaza. > >>>> > >>>> You regularly castigate people for making claims about the "majority" > >>>> of people yet you do it here yourself. FWIW, I suspect that only a > >>>> tiny minority of decent people in the UK would find Vylan's chant > >>>> acceptable in any way. > >>> > >>> I suspect that you are mistaken. > >> > >> Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion but the point is that > >> you do recognise it as *your opinion*, you do not claim to speak on > >> behalf of other people as Todal does. > >> > > > >A false distinction. You claim to know what decent people believe but > >you accuse me of knowing what decent people believe. > > You: > > "it *accurately reflects* the indignation of most decent people in > the UK …" > > Me: > > "I *suspect that* only a tiny minority of decent people …" > > (emphasis added in both cases). > > Perhaps distinguishing who is making definitive claims about other > people is beyond your comprehension ability. > > > >And why beholdest > >thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam > >that is in thine own eye? > > You might want to rethink that if you are now able to comprehend who > was making claims about other people. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmhlVY0ACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x5LyAf/QqfrzKzV0SB9TeNQCulOV3FtmE9IIEIaCFXLyTaloxnMpMGIZkIUGNiU 28vy3+URF1Iyk4TpYzTfbzlI+LNayD/mUyMaHyM7sSx3CuAfiZ2lkyvQAfTkF7dj iteUmU0QF2wYxyxkiUjHg7dXgQCz3UYnHzjRjdYwqduTtbip6faC2X8jLb7u/bci 1ufZm7dhEk0PyHAZYNJV4ApukstyNaEE45UWGS9vf5TWVKSrpUKai7xst97ny3p9 +h7H+U7o6eDBTkaD4kRiZxWst0//1Be33Ztsa0PZq1XYtfBVjMwoovtbkNMI6FPG nHWwEfRZGA/CI1+pBQDZEfbw0Qowrg== =9KSf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----