From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Sun May 25 18:45:52 2025 Return-path: To: hex at ..seen.ac.am Subject: Re: Re: Solicitor prepayment for conveyancing estate sale References: <5nt1tCF3wtKoFAu9@perry.uk> <65YV6HHjSzKoFAO3@perry.uk> <6297608521.1a46b012@uninhabited.net> <100fmme$1na26$2@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [17481896306430] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 18:45:49 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Sun May 25 17:13:50 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of uni-berlin.de designates 130.133.4.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.133.4.89; envelope-from=mod-submit@uni-berlin.de; helo=outpost5.zedat.fu-berlin.de; > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=UKSJ7sIAXDWGLtbG7C8YnkHdYvwc5X0tfTatYwIs8V4=; t=1748189626; x=1748794426; b=idJdErySLjwYXkI > From: Norman Wells > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Solicitor prepayment for conveyancing estate sale > Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 17:13:45 +0100 > Message-ID: > References: <5nt1tCF3wtKoFAu9@perry.uk> > <65YV6HHjSzKoFAO3@perry.uk> <6297608521.1a46b012@uninhabited.net> > <100fmme$1na26$2@dont-email.me> > > > > > > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net VuJTrSFtfRG/W5f0gCgBEQsIfxCY6hUeUVsbA7AbHb7mfIUGpe > Cancel-Lock: sha1:J/NHXP/koV7tUmNEUEwF9gkHypM= sha256:0HLQ4jqftLU6yWv2GL8lJLYQyFghw0bX77EF+xWZGfk= > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 29 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 25/05/2025 15:38, Roland Perry wrote: > > In message , at 12:11:05 on Thu, 22 > > May 2025, Norman Wells remarked: > >> On 22/05/2025 11:09, Roland Perry wrote: > >>> In message , at 21:39:33 on Wed, 21 > >>> May 2025, Norman Wells remarked: > >>>> On 21/05/2025 21:02, Roland Perry wrote: > >>>>> In message , at 09:17:06 on Wed, > >>>>> 21  May 2025, Norman Wells remarked: > >>>>> > >>>>>> "Property sold with vacant possession must be empty of existing > >>>>>> tenants or other occupiers (whether or not occupation is > >>>>>> authorised), and all goods and rubbish (subject to the de minimis > >>>>>> rule) that substantially prevent or interfere with the enjoyment > >>>>>> of a substantial  part of the property on or before completion." > >>> > >>>>>   Almost all property is thus. But when agents put it on the > >>>>> particulars they mean, yes they really do mean, "It'll have > >>>>> no residents or furniture when you view". > >>>> > >>>> It doesn't have anything to do with when you view but only when you > >>>> complete if you buy.  Possession, whether vacant or not, doesn't > >>>> come into it before then. > > > >>>  You are being typically perverse, and ignoring the proposition. This > >>> is  about, and only about, the words used on the particulars. > >> > >> Not so.  You will not be able to find any reference whatsoever that > >> does not include the removal of all goods and possessions from a > >> property that is sold 'with vacant possession'.  And that is only > >> relevant on the completion date. > >> > >> I note that you haven't yet come up with any link at all, despite > >> having been requested to do so, and that you just rely on what I think > >> is a very faulty misunderstanding of what the expression means in law. > > > > Groundhog day. Again. It's not what the expression means, it's what > > estate agents say in their particulars. > > > > "Vacant possession" for the umpteenth time, is what they commonly > > describe a house that's empty when you view. Nothing whatsoever to > > do with happens after the completion of the sale. > > You can of course believe whatever you want. But I've given you several > reliable references telling you what it means, whereas you've given > none, nor any argument at all why my references may be wrong. > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmgzV00ACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x7q/Qf8DVa3PWr7LuW/exHygPt/GBDGCBfHX70KFrK9FWqua6D6fCCPUchg2jb6 gvYGt/49y/6jh1y0VcALoFc8U6OqnHfwe1wNvSSjOryo1OSPzJBs/W8uSHBDN+PC 2+KW5pK/jaLymXDg3MG6x6qvJtBGORoDDcZTofZ/NEO2bBBUYy9OqBDZK2ANdxu3 9C/wF1aw+ocnSjaKozdIgjmxKj7EZ6eaVieER9E4uBo4L1D+2v96vmgfSxftu/QD 3C84Syx0n42+fTdMpecUbnLZb8RedRh4fNqOc3354+NTSNA7LMjbK3av9z8WnDbD xptArJNIVl8TL0dq0dZg1eU9CjVMow== =tcGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----