From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Wed May 21 17:40:53 2025 Return-path: To: hex at ..seen.ac.am Subject: Re: Re: Interesting citizenship Q. References: <1009q0k$bqfu$2@dont-email.me> <100a5e2$dcon$2@dont-email.me> <100d3do$1au6$1@gal.iecc.com> <100d4i9$fl49$4@dont-email.me> <100f5vc$1jmmf$2@dont-email.me> <100frdm$1ngs9$8@dont-email.me> <100hr0e$27cpe$1@dont-email.me> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [174783331420277] reject notnew Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 17:40:53 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This post contains insufficient new material. Similar points have been made already in this discussion, which is in danger of becoming too repetitive. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Wed May 21 14:15:14 2025 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of uni-berlin.de designates 130.133.4.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.133.4.89; envelope-from=mod-submit@uni-berlin.de; helo=outpost5.zedat.fu-berlin.de; > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ohhno9FG5Dd12KL+m6QHk01O8rAkCE8xT3WNnPbEJ9o=; t=1747833312; x=1748438112; b=DzARxMv7KPStlpA > From: Norman Wells > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: Re: Interesting citizenship Q. > Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 14:15:10 +0100 > Message-ID: > References: <1009q0k$bqfu$2@dont-email.me> > <100a5e2$dcon$2@dont-email.me> > <100d3do$1au6$1@gal.iecc.com> <100d4i9$fl49$4@dont-email.me> > <100f5vc$1jmmf$2@dont-email.me> > <100frdm$1ngs9$8@dont-email.me> > <100hr0e$27cpe$1@dont-email.me> > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net 17H3CroC3XjRRV4CboVGhg/Ak/+qF14kUtqubZj6pI7TDH7SZm > Cancel-Lock: sha1:Lwo9nBvzdcA4L522QbFRjFMCEM0= sha256:Uh3SmPFOBVqzji3E+qStZOStN/cBEOfs8f/jtbgEYvU= > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 29 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: > > On 21/05/2025 12:24, Simon Parker wrote: > > On 21/05/2025 09:43, Norman Wells wrote: > >> On 21/05/2025 09:24, Simon Parker wrote: > >>> On 20/05/2025 14:17, Norman Wells wrote: > > > >>>> You can't.  She never lost it because she was under 21 when we > >>>> revoked her British nationality, and it was all she had left. > >>>> > >>>> If only Bangladeshi ministers who pronounce on such issues would > >>>> read their own Acts, they'd know. > >>> > >>> Or have them explained to them by someone else, eh? :-) > >> > >> They clearly need it, yes. > > > > From time to time as do you, Norman, as do you. > > > > > >> And if they won't listen, the courts will override them anyway.  It's > >> a matter for them, not ministers, to apply the law. > > > > We've been down this particular rabbit hole before.  Ms Begum is some > > significant distance away from being in a position where she is able to > > prevail upon the Bangladeshi courts to rule on her citizenship. > > Not my problem. I'm just telling you what the answer from the > Bangladeshi courts will inevitably and necessarily be if she does. > > But she clearly doesn't even want to try. Which means she will remain > where she is, in limbo, for the foreseeable future. > > > Are you going to acknowledge your clear and obvious mistake on pleading > > matters of foreign law in court in this country made elsewhere in this > > thread or are you going to ignore my detailed and comprehensive reply > > and treat it as if it doesn't exist, just as certain Bangladeshi > > ministers have done with the Citizenship Act? > > The thing is, it isn't necessary. The courts agreed with me, albeit > after a hugely expensive two hundred mile detour down every legal > backroad, when the answer was absolutely clear straight away from a > simple reading of the Act. > > It was a complete waste of time. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAmguAhUACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x7iPQf+In65Ick3WwFca4l5etH/fQg1z9ZlNQ9ZOqUHDOvkpAD7gQnx0E2KCYpV W/GDKEOtYHe90cMxySA5Aiq4fpC4RqtKTer+5oLMPFeq2Ugu5i5GTCdbrc2ePZwc TQDcJdqPoowQ3cCDiZz0s3m77PKGyMF1vXbPcbexBnT1FfE0eo1Jy73/q536q10Q GNHZMaRNGTJ3jcOi1mjmYFKLWL2vdjwytayQqFaFQS8Qks3BrRvIeykDhIjAYYRc ENUBkQ6npaqQgEYdjEG1gopJ7Skn7AQIpfLGHB1bJA3qiJZkXuk0SbnnKtb9O7Qr Kicfh0FLY5ZiOYT+G0jbrTrckhnP/g== =a8vJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----