From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Fri Aug 09 20:00:01 2024 Return-path: To: JNugent73 at ..il.com Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IElzIG11bHRpLWxldmVsIOKAmGxhd+KAmSBub3cgdGhlIG5vcm0/?= References: <0619643561.5da40ed9@uninhabited.net> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [172321594913741] reject offtopic Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 20:00:01 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. This appears to the moderator to be off-topic for uk.legal.moderated or has insufficient law-related material. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Fri Aug 09 16:05:49 2024 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of uni-berlin.de designates 130.133.4.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=130.133.4.89; envelope-from=mod-submit@uni-berlin.de; helo=outpost5.zedat.fu-berlin.de; > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-1: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-2: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > X-STUMP-Warning-3: Next header (DKIM-Signature) truncated! > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uni-berlin.de; s=fub01; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Mime-Version:Reply-To:References:Message-ID:Date:Subject:From:To :Sender:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1dTN9MozzCMjag5apJtwve+i9uTpKADSYuR9a4e10UI=; t=1723215947; x=1723820747; b=QBC4HA28CHdhQQU > From: JNugent > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IElzIG11bHRpLWxldmVsIOKAmGxhd+KAmSBub3cgdGhlIG5vcm0/?= > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2024 16:05:45 +0100 > Organization: Home User > Message-ID: > References: > > <0619643561.5da40ed9@uninhabited.net> > > > > Reply-To: JNugent73@mail.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net gZ5JZdsEqXJc5BBejUGzmQMKWXGCKPI0G8/npIF6ti+lTxU7Sw > Cancel-Lock: sha1:c4O83j93EfaMqGKhy+onyNmrbPY= sha256:cwJv3+2w/XQuffvOh6WLmyzGciz48jHMEXIBMUWudIY= > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 > Content-Language: en-GB > X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 240809-4, 8/9/2024), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 > X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 41 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.2 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-4: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: DKIM-Signature: User-Agent: > > On 09/08/2024 03:41 pm, The Todal wrote: > > > On 09/08/2024 15:26, JNugent wrote: > >> On 09/08/2024 03:08 pm, The Todal wrote: > >>> On 09/08/2024 14:44, JNugent wrote: > >>>> On 09/08/2024 02:32 pm, The Todal wrote: > >>>>> On 09/08/2024 14:28, Pamela wrote: > > > >>>>>> Bias within a political party, which is only a part of this, is > >>>>>> touched upon by the lengthy Wikipedia article, "Antisemitism in > >>>>>> the British Labour party" amongst others. Of course not everything > >>>>>> Wikipedia writes is reliable but it is hard to discount all that's > >>>>>> there. Labour's antisemitism is engrained, insidious and rarely > >>>>>> explicit. > >>>>>> Starmer claims to have taken action as a new broom sweeping out > >>>>>> all the crap but does a leopard change its spots so easily? > > > >>>>> I don't want to be rude, but you're absolutely wrong and if you > >>>>> were to speak to Jews who are long-term members of the Labour Party > >>>>> you'd realise that they don't encounter antisemitism from Labour > >>>>> Party members. > > > >>>> They don't ALL have to, in order for the above remarks to be largely > >>>> accurate. > >>>> Do they? > > > >>> I've been a Party member, I've been to many meetings and rallies and > >>> parties at which Party members have been present, and I have never > >>> encountered any antisemitism whatsoever. And I have spoken to quite a > >>> few Jews in the Party who say the same. > >>> So this notion of Labour being an unsafe place for Jews is either the > >>> sincere opinion of a small unrepresentative minority or a lie put > >>> about by the Israeli public relations department. > > > >> So those Jewish politicians who have encountered antisemitism within > >> the Labour Party are lying, are they? > > > > We really are making slow progress with this. > > Tell me which Jewish politicians you are referring to, and what > > antisemitism they have encountered within the Labour Party. There is a > > need for precision rather than empty rhetoric. > > Before any trip down that rabbit-hole, please say whether Jewish > politicians who (say they) have encountered antisemitism within the > Labour Party are lying. > > Either they exist or they don't. > > Your stance seems to be that they don't exist, not never, not nohow. > > If you stick to that, a single counter-example will falsify your stance > in a pure Popperian manner, won't it? > > Or perhaps, in your view, the Labour Party consists only of angelic > people who would never dream of, for instance, suggesting or inciting > the brutal murder of people with opposing views. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEfWu6wfyjzX88oocanSrwpvmn4x4FAma2ZzEACgkQnSrwpvmn 4x470Qf+IdjY02I53SZ59KI+Su1BNuCQbnliGWvgaCle0EOqx+sHk6nlLPbQ3Tdo 2bQALdVar77jq/R2ooU2c1aS0tJUHqi9F/b6BKZio6HrU94QJqoq3dFzuYsEYQCc tqKS/uZ9WXA3B0ss6NlYlhft022IS2YB0SfbEyqUv+f7MCPw0ZMeNookbHxeQrtf FR5jvybCTo7C+Jwz5dD9bW3TTarYMifF/6Qgm78Zvq2D3v9yEg9suht0kGgRpgRf bSHeM8chkXzBjrPGS/4x4wBWhIWIW5buVbIHf+aZN7ZF+q9byTxMpxHSWf/LmxYr CqmsXf+4vNCVNa1jfE6jPL+rKU6psg== =LbQ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----