From webstump at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Thu Aug 01 09:59:41 2024 Return-path: To: giles at ..spam.com Subject: Re: Re: Winter fuel payments References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: matthewv+ulmtestmod at ..riolis.greenend.org.uk Errors-To: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk X-Webstump-Event: [172249268129235] reject abuse Message-Id: From: webstump+ulm-bounces at ..iark.greenend.org.uk Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 09:59:41 +0100 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 The post that you submitted to uk.legal.moderated has been rejected by a moderator. Your message appears to the moderator to be abusive or hurtful to another contributor. The group charter and moderation policy can be found at https://uklegal.weebly.com/ Disputed moderation decisions can be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.moderation ============================================ Full text of your message follows > From webstump@chiark.greenend.org.uk Thu Aug 01 07:11:21 2024 > Return-path: > Envelope-to: webstump+?@slimy.greenend.org.uk > Received-SPF: pass (mailhub-hex-d.mythic-beasts.com: domain of giganews.com designates 69.80.96.56 as permitted sender) client-ip=69.80.96.56; envelope-from=poster@giganews.com; helo=egress-mx.phmgmt.com; > X-Authentication-Warning: serv-3.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:10:45 +0100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird > Subject: Re: Winter fuel payments > References: > > > > > > Content-Language: en-GB > From: Farmer Giles > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Message-ID: > X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 > Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated > To: uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Source-External: YES > X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 26 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 > Delivered-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-BlackCat-To: usenet-uk-legal-moderated@usenet.org.uk > X-Mythic-Originator: uid-1081-on-lynx.mythic-beasts.com > X-STUMP-Warning-0: Unfolded headers Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: Received: > > On 31/07/2024 17:17, JNugent wrote: > > On 31/07/2024 05:05 pm, The Todal wrote: > >> On 31/07/2024 14:37, JNugent wrote: > >>> On 31/07/2024 12:47 pm, The Todal wrote: > >>>> On 31/07/2024 11:57, Jeff Gaines wrote: > >>>>> On 31/07/2024 in message John wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 30/07/2024 11:47, Jon Ribbens wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If they sacked Wes Streeting then I would be mostly happy with the > >>>>>>> Labour government so far. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Can I ask why?  It took him 3 weeks to get the Junior Doctors back > >>>>>> to work, something the previous Govt deliberately failed to do, > >>>>>> costing the UK taxpayer more in lost productivity than settling > >>>>>> the greviance. > >>>>> > >>>>> Only by giving them a highly inflationary 22% pay increase, the > >>>>> previous government was seriously trying to keep inflation control > >>>>> and had, in fact, succeeded by getting it back to 2%. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Pay increases do not cause or contribute to inflation. > >>> > >>> Increases in pay (like other factors, such as negative interest > >>> rates) enable increased demand within the economy. That is certainly > >>> an essential element of inflation. Without it, inflation cannot exist. > >> > >> Presumably that's from some sort of "Economics for Dummies" textbook > >> that you haven't finished reading. > > > > Ah... a Marxist! > > > > There were always a few in Economics lectures, insisting that supply and > > demand was meaningless and that market economics was a made-up story to > > frighten the children and the horses. And that Karl was always 100% > > correct and that everyone from Smith to Friedman and Hayek via Ricardo > > and Keynes was complicit in some sort of capitalist plot against the > > workers. > > > > It was most amusing and I thank you for reminding me of it. > >> > >>>> It has been proved by economists and academics but doesn't suit the > >>>> purposes of our politicians, who like to tell the public sector > >>>> employees to grit their teeth and put up with poverty because the > >>>> country's in trouble yet again. > >> > >>> Do you know what a strawman argument is? > >> > >> Do you know what an irrelevant remark is? > >> > >> For decades it has been a strategy of one Tory government after > >> another to say that the economy is in a temporary crisis and everyone > >> should hold fire on their pay demands until the economy improves. > > > > I have never known any political party in the UK to say anything to > > undermine the "permanent economic crisis" narrative. > > > > That stretches back to Wilson and takes in Heath, Wilson again, > > Callaghan Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, > > Sunak and Starman. > >> > >> If this baffles you or you believe it's a strawman argument, then I > >> think you're in a minority. > > > > Governments prefer to get the population to consume and demand less > > voluntarily, rather than to do the correct thing: setting interest rates > > at levels adequate for their job and constraining the money supply. > > > > > Still don't have a clue I see. 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