Imperial Game 9 Proposals 251 to 300

Proposal 251 (Anarchy)

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:07:54 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Great Emperor of Infinite Power, we Croweaters and Sapsuckers are disheartened that we have no Weapons to fight the evil 'Eepers and Demons with. I therefore propose the following modifications to rule 88 in the spirit of Rule 95. Each of of the three races has its own ancient traditional weapons. The Sandgropers have their Krossbows, the Sapsuckers have their Blowpipes and the Croweaters have their Boomerangs. These weapons of course confer no advantage in Duels as their use is considered dishonourable. Any player may fashion their own unique racial weapon from 1G point. This weapon confers the same benefits against 'Eepers as does the Krossbow. K points are now not transferable, because they are unique to the race that fashioned them. (i.e. 1G may always be converted to 1K). Finally, no one may ever gain more than 2H merely from killing 'Eepers. Otherwise becoming a Hero is just too easy.
Decision: Accepted with Modifications - K points are still transferable because you can, at a pinch, use some other race's weapon. Secondly, the + 1 bonus disappears because it's far too easy to defeat the creatures at the moment. Modifies Rule 88.
Score: 2 A points.
Votes:
Yes: 5.
No: 1.
Anarchy gains -1P. (31 point rule)

Proposal 252 (Big Mad Drongo)

Big Mad Drongo encounters and defeats a Creeper.
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:19:52 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Almighty Emperor, whose wisdom is unquestionable...
Proposal: I find proposal 228 difficult to live with. Some citizens of the Empire lead lives that preclude them from sitting on a court of appeal on certain days, and may not be able to vote in the prescribed time period. Therefore I would suggest that the rules are changed somewhat. Firstly, no player may make a proposal if they should have voted on a court of appeal and haven't. Secondly, if after two days a player has not voted, then they are deemed to have abstained. Thirdly, no court of appeal decision can be decided on less than three votes: if less than three votes are received then the court of appeal must be reconvened with the new latest five accepted proposals.
Decision: I am really against reconvening a court of appeal because it could go on forever dealing with a different rule. Further, there is no current capacity for abstaining from a Court of Appeal vote by choice, so how can you be deemed to have abstained? I'm sorry; the spirit is there but the substance is just lacking a bit. Rejected.
Score: 1 B point.
Voting on Popularity:
No: 3.
Big Mad Drongo loses 1P.

Proposal 253 (Big Mad Drongo)

Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:45:49 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Oh great and mighty Emperor, whose praises we all sing,
I've just been having thoughts about a most peculiar thing:
The beasts within this Empire are the pacifistic sort
(Except, of course, the 'Eepers, which I'm sure we all have fought).

Now this to my mind doesn't gel - it doesn't seem quite right.
So I propose that beasts are seen in quite a different light.
Those travellers who dare to set their foot outside the city
May be attacked by wild beasts, and eaten (more's the pity).

The lion first, a savage king, resourceful and most cunning.
He has a strength of seven, which appears to me quite stunning.
He's only found quite rarely - let's call it five percent
But he always will attack - he's of a most ferocious bent.

Next we see the jackals, which are weaker and more wary
Although that's not to say that they are really just as scary.
They represent a quarter of the beasts that you may meet.
Their strength is four, and they attack a half of those they meet.

Then we have the dingoes, who are fast and sleek and cruel.
These animals (whose strength is two), they ain't nobody's fool.
They only hunt for prey, I'd say, about one time in four.
But you'll see them one in three, I think, or maybe slightly more.

Now if you meet an animal and it isn't one of those
Then it won't be something nasty - you can stay in sweet repose.
A possum, chicken, horse or cow, a gerbil or a badger.
Or maybe just a mouse, a hen, a goldfish or a spadger.

So if you wander from the path and leave the city streets
The chance is one in ten that there's a creature you will meet.
And five percent are lions, and dingoes thirty-three,
Hyenas twenty five: the rest are safe to you and me.

To fight these creatures you must add your H points and your S's
Add two points for a Krossbow, which can get you out of messes.
Roll a die, add this as well, then roll one for the beast,
And add its strength - the winner of the loser makes a feast.

If you should lose then you will lose a point out of your score.
First H, then S, then C, then A - the list goes on no more.
But if you win, another pelt is yours by right, I feel.
And there's enough meat on the beast to make a lovely meal.

For each location THS can choose, as this seems right
Whether creatures wander in that certain type of site.
Just let me say there are no beasts around the great Black Lake.
They tried it, but the monster ate them all - that's their mistake.
Decision: A poem such as this deserves a fate greater than most
Even though I have to add 'br's before I post
Nevertheless it's simple, and exactly what I know,
To give you for this submission: 2 A points and an O.

You must have spent a lot of time on writing this, it's true.
And so I mark it as "Accepted, Rule One-Twenty-Two".
Before it goes into the lists, to guide all of the nations,
To take account of changes since, some new modifications.

As Croweaters and Sapsuckers have search-ed high and low,
There are some other weapons other than the K Krossbow.
To this end then, the first change must cope for proliferation:
You gain 2 points for having bought the weapon from your nation.

The other change made to this rule is to speed up the play.
For otherwise I'd slow down to one submission per day.
This second change, the final change is simply probab'listic:
Wild animals attack every time, to make it more realistic.

Score: 2A, 1O.
Big Mad Drongo supports Tivol.
Voting on Popularity:
Yes: 4.
Big Mad Drongo gains 1P.

Proposal 254 (Anarchy)

Rule 48'ed.
Proposal: Hail he who moves the mountains, hear my simple and humble proposal: that anyone possessing 2D may choose to trade them for any one point that he currently has none of.
Decision: Rejected because I seem to sense a sneaky trick coming up. Besides, it's almost impossible to follow an act like the previous proposal and come away unscathed. :-)
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
No: 2.

Proposal 255 (Big Mad Drongo)

BMD attacks and defeats a Weeper.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:35:57 +0000 (GMT) Praise: Oh wonderful Emperor, whose decisions are music to our ears...
Proposal: I propose that due to the current lack of sub-etheric radios in the game, no player may make a proposal while they are not in the Empire.
Decision: Rejected - No Votes.
Score: 1B point.
Votes:
Yes: 1.

Point of Order 256 (Big Mad Drongo)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:38:07 +0000 (GMT) Point of Order: Oh great Emperor, I realise that this is a small point, but rule 88 states that no player may gain more than 2H through hunting, and it seems to me that some people are wrongly aspiring to Heroship through being mere hunters. Now might be a good time to bring these people down to size.
Comment: Not if they became a Hero before the rule kicked in, or were up to 2 points away.

Proposal 257 (Big Mad Drongo)

At the Black Lake, Big Mad Drongo loses an A point.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:40:58 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Almighty Emperor, whose heroic acts and deeds would fill the pages of all the books in the world, hear my plea...
Proposal: I propose that any player who is Infamous and manages to amass ten O points may choose to become the Antimessiah rather than the Messiah.
Decision: Rejected - No Votes.
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
Yes: 2.

Proposal 258 (Anarchy)

Anarchy kills a Leaper.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:25:32 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Give thanks to the Emperor, all ye loyal citizens, for he is good, and give thanks to his Scribe whose patience and hard work put us all to shame.
Proposal: The foul King of the Veyne Demons has begun plotting against the Empire. The land of Veyne is populated by Demons. Demons are like wild animals, except that they all have 5 Strength Points, and because they use evil and dishonourable methods of combat such as back stabbing that no Hero would even dream of using, H points do not help when fighting Demons. A player with positive popularity who moves to the Veyne Demons' Land will automatically be attacked by a Demon when he moves there and any turn he remains there. Players with negative popularity will not be attacked. The Demon King has a strength of 10 because of the +5 bonus from his Sceptre. Any player who is in Veyne may challenge the Demon King who will always accept, but H points confer no advantage here either. A player who slays the Demon King will get the Sceptre. However, the Sceptre's holder is always Plagued by Demons; a Veyne Demon will appear every nightfall and attempt to steal the Sceptre (1 in 6 chance of succeeding). If this succeeds, then a new Demon King arises. Otherwise, combat will ensue as normal(not that the Demon would have any chance whatsoever when the player has a +5 bonus...). A player killing a Veyne Demon gets 1H. A player killing the Demon King gets 3H and 3P.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 123. Kill the Demon King!
Score: 3 A points.
Votes:
No: 1.

Proposal 259 (Anarchy)

Anarchy kills a Leaper.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 14:25:32 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: O, Emperor of truth and light, eye of the heavens.
Proposal: As Heroes would never willingly do something that might make themselves seem Unpopular, they may not perform any trade or action that would leave them, however briefly, with non-positive P points, such as Snubbing while on 1P.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 124.
Score: 2 A points.
Anarchy supports Bill.
Votes:
Yes: 2.
No: 1.

Mistake report received from Jay Luo.

Proposal 260 (Jay Luo)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:03:11 -0500 (EST)
Praise: We love TIE, for he is Our Hero!
Proposal: Whenever a Challenge occurs as a result of Rule 71, it shall be resolved as if it were a Duel between the player Challenged and a Local Hero (treated as a player with 1S and 3H).
Decision: Rejected. If you challenge a player, there should be no automatic champion appear, it makes it too easy.
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
No: 2.
The sun rises on the Empire.
Astroboy's Party Has Ended!

Proposal 261 (Jay Luo)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:03:11 -0500 (EST)
Praise: May this Proposal aid our Glorious Emperor in resolving trivial local matters, that he may be free to increase the glory of the entire Empire.
Proposal: A Proposal or Rule which mentions exactly one Capital City shall be considered a Municipal Ordinance. When a Municipal Ordinance is proposed, if the City in question has a Lord, the Lord of the City must issue to TIE a recommendation for a decision on the Ordinance. TIE must defer decision on proposed Ordinances until either a recommendation is received from the city's Lord, or two Game Days pass by, whichever is sooner. Upon receiving a recommendation, TIE may either follow it or overrule it. After a Lord has been overruled by TIE three times, the Lord is automatically Cashiered; i.e., immediately deposed as Lord and being awarded CASH in points as compensation.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 125. Lords may be able to reduce my workload.
Score: 2 A points.
Votes:
Yes: 2.

Duels 262 (Jay Luo)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:06:40 -0500 (EST)
To save space and numbering these duels are being lumped together.
Jay is challenging the following people:
Anarchy, Tivol, Euler, Bill, Death, Egil.
Could all these players please respond as to whether they wish to accept or decline the duel.
Bill accepts the duel.
Bill rolls 3, 5.
Jay rolls 1,5 - 1S + 8H = 13.
Jay has won! Please email me with the point you want to transfer.
Tivol accepts the duel.
Tivol 3, 4 +1S = 8.
Jay 6, 3 + 8H = 17.
Jay has won! Again, please email.
Only Egil's duel is outstanding. All others have been cancelled as Jay is not in the same location as the other players.

Proposal 263 (Bill)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:10:35 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Let all glorify the Emperor, whose words echo through the lands, the epitome of good sense and good humour.
Proposal: A member of a clique cannot support, or be supported by, anyone apart from the other members of the clique. If they all agree, the members of a clique may arrange with THS a system such that they automatically support each others' proposals. If members of a clique duel with each other, the clique is disbanded immediately. Finally, each clique has a nickname, usually obscure and rarely complimentary. As soon as a clique forms, the first non-member to suggest a nickname receives an A point, unless TIE thinks the name is unacceptable, in which case a B point is awarded and the next player's suggestion is considered.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 126. It is only fair that cliques end up with derogatory nicknames.
Score: 2 A points + 1 A from Anarchy's support.
Bill supports Big Mad Drongo.
Mistake report received from Bill.
Votes:
Yes: 3.
Bill gains 1P.

Point of Order 264 (Al-Istar)

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:19:28 +0000 (GMT)
Point of order: All eligible members of the appeal court appear to have voted on resubmission 206, but the result does not seem to have been published.
Comment: Sorry about the delay, it has now.
Mistake report received from Al-Istar.

Proposal 265 (Al-Istar)

Al-Istar kills a Weeper.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:19:28 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: O Wise Emperor who allows his worthy subject Bill to enlighten us all on the geography of the Empire.
Proposal: Movement within the Empire does not seem to be all that well defined; for example it takes the same time (none at all) to get from the Imperial Palace to Adelia City Square as it does from Friment to the eastern Mountains. My proposal is that: 1) movement between locations within a city shall take one proposal i.e. there shall be one proposal between notifying THS of one's intention to move and actually arriving. 2) movement between locations within the same realm shall take two proposals, and 3) movement between realms sharing a common border, or to/from a mountain location sharing a common border shall take 3 proposals. Between realms this movement shall be considered to be from capital city to capital city. Movement between realms/mountain locations not sharing a common border shall require passage through the realms in between (passage through mountainous regions being too difficult). For example, the journey from Friment to Breezewane requires passage through at least two realms other than Sandgroper Country and Bannan Abendland, e.g. Darnia and Nusowalland and so shall take 3 proposals from Friment to Darn, 3 proposals from Darn to Cinni and 3 from Cinni to Breezewane, making a total of 9 proposals in all. (you can tell I'm a mathematician, can't you?)
Decision: Great idea, but it's only going to make the game unnecessarily complicated, so I'll reject it. Sorry, but I do have other things to do than Emperor this game.
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
Yes: 1.
No: 2.

Proposal 266 (Al-Istar)

Al-Istar kills yet another Weeper.
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:19:28 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Glorious Leader, I propose that your estimable subject Bill be proclaimed Imperial Cartographer, and that his map be considered to be an accepted proposal, with any appropriate points due.
Decision: If it was an accepted proposal, it would be a rule, and a map as a rule is pretty wierd to start with. I'm sorry but I will have to reject this as well. You just want to get 2 A for giving Bill 2 A, don't you?
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
Yes: 1.

Point of Order 267 (Tivol)

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 18:32:12 EST
Point of Order: I am of the opinion that Bill's proposals 243 and 244 violate Rule 108 because, while his party seeks to exploit loopholes, the proposals tried to close a few up. Bill should have, in the spirit of his party, joined five or six cliques, reaping immense benefits. I'm not sure how his proposals are to be handled, since the rules currently say that a player just can't make proposals against his party's platform; it contains no rule for what happens if one slips by.
Comment: Technically, the aim of the party is to exploit loopholes, but his actual platform did not say they couldn't close them up. Sure it makes the job of the party harder, but it doesn't directly contradict the manifesto.

Proposal 268 (Tivol)

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 18:32:12 EST
Proposal: Trebly Impressive Emperor, I think that members of political parties that somehow manage to slip by a proposal that others genuinely feel is against their party's platforms, then those who made the offending proposals shall be booted out of their parties and, since such a stigma is attached to that, be unable to join another political party for two whole days.
Decision: Rejected. What is "genuinely feel"? Surely with a loose interpretation the party structure would collapse completely.
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
No: 2.
Clique formed: Anarchy, Big Mad Drongo, Tivol.

Proposal 269 (Astroboy)

Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:26:31 +1030
Proposal: O Emperor who is so great as to deserve praises from a professional rather than a humble fellow, recently despicable. Big Mad Drongo should be proclaimed as the first Poet Laureate which then becomes a profession. The Poet Laureate must submit at least one Proposal in every ten they make in a suitably poetic form to please TIE, and shall recieve 2 Imperials for doing so. Further, voting for Popularity on any Proposal submitted by the Poet Laureate earns the Poet a P point for every two supporters while it still takes three opponents to lose a P point. If a Poet Laureate should ever reach zero P points, they lose their position. There can be only one Poet Laureate at any time.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 127.
Score: 2 A points.
Votes :
Yes: 1.

Proposal 270 (Big Mad Drongo)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:25:42 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Almighty Emperor, whose wisdom is beyond compare, and whose chickens will never grow moldy...
Proposal: I propose that any player who has 'sailed away' is in a state similar to 'Missing, presumed fed'. They may not be attacked, robbed, or duelled with, because they aren't there. Also they may not make any proposals, attack anyone in any way, or gain/lose points. This status is lost when they return to the Empire.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 128, but remember it's not retroactive.
Decision: Rejected by Rule 128, Rule 128 disappears.
Score: 2A, 1B.
Votes:
Yes: 1.

Proposal 271 (Bill)

Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:19:35 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: We salute the emperor and marvel at the impressiveness of his palace and the strength of his retinue.
Proposal: Players moving in the countryside of the empire are now subject to attack from wild beasts. It is obviously dangerous for all but the strongest, most heroic and best-armed players to travel the wilderness alone. Therefore I propose that players be allowed to associate together. A player can start following another (not in the sense of following a messiah) in the same location simply by informing THS, and stop in the same way. When a player moves, all players following eim automatically move unless they do not have the required points. The players then form a Travelling Group. If a following player moves spontaneously, e is deemed to have stopped following. A player can only follow one other player at any one time. THS will record when players follow others. If a player does not want someone to follow, e may drive them away at a cost of one A point and a P point if e has positive P. The player may not follow that player again until permission is specifically given or the next time they are both in the same location. Travelling groups of 2-9 players are proportionally more likely to encounter an animal in the countryside, larger groups are certain to meet one. When a travelling group is attacked by an animal, it fights in one of two ways. Either a single player uses eir H, K and S points to defend against it or all the members combine their S and K points. The group will do whichever gives the higher strength against the attacker, if the chances are equal one player will fight. If several players are equally powerful fighters, THS will choose one at random. If the fight is lost, one member loses a point, and if a single player fought e is twice as likely to be the victim than any of the others. If a member defeats an animal e keeps the pelt, but when an entire group kills an animal it destroys the pelt in the process. This does not apply to 'eepers. They only attack individual players who make proposals in their territories.
Decision: Rejected because it would dramatically slow the game down.
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
No: 1.

Proposal 272 (Bill)

Praise: The Emperor's policies are a fine inspiration to lawmakers everywhere.
Proposal: Many features of the game are timed in numbers of proposals. But several other kinds of action, such as parties, duels, tomes, resubmissions and party platforms are also numbered. To make things easier and bring the rules into accord with current practice, existing and future rules referring to numbers of proposals for timing purposes will be deemed to include all numbered submissions unless they imply otherwise.
I envisage this applying to the timing described in rules 13, 60, 62, 66, 68, 73, 82, 86, 90, 103, 114, 115 and 117. It will not affect 58 or 69.
It is possible for large numbers of actions to occur between updates of the WWW site. (After all, TIE has other duties.) In the interests of fairness, no deadlines set on a player's actions can expire sooner than five proposals after they are published. If necessary, they are automatically extended.
Decision: Accepted. All uses of proposals implying anyone's proposals will be taken to mean submissions. Becomes the new Rule 128.
Score: 2 A points.

Mistake report received from Tivol.
False Mistake Report received from Anarchy.

Proposal 273 (Anarchy)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:26:47 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Great Emperor whose duelling skill is renowned the world over, it would seem slightly illogical that two players can challenge each other to duels when in widely separated locations of Your Empire. I therefore propose that duels may only take place when the challenged player is in the same Location as the challenger. If the challenged player is not in the same Location, he can simply ignore the challenge. If the challenged player should then move from the Location, he will be taken as having declined the challenge.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 129. This should make it harder for Jay.
Score: 2 A points.

Proposal 274 (Jay Luo)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:56:51 -0500 (EST)
Praise: The Emperor is like the sun rising from the mist, illuminating all where once was murky confusion.
Proposal: If a member of a clique declines a duel, then every member of the clique loses 1P to the winner. (There is little benefit to being in a clique with a coward.)
Decision: Accepted as Rule 130. All for one and one for all!
Score: 2 A points.
Votes:
No: 2.

Proposal 275 (Anarchy)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:26:47 +0000 (GMT)
Rule 48'ed.
Praise: Hail the Emperor, may he live forever. Let us all sing the glories of TIE!
Apology: Sorry, this is a bit long, but it wouldn't be complete if it was shorter. May the Emperor be gracious.
Proposal: Although not everyone may be Infamous, some people may yet be Evil, and aspire to become Villains. A player with at least 1 E point is considered to be Evil. E points function for Evil players the same way H points do for normal players, and when a H point would normally be awarded to them e.g. for hunting they will gain an E point instead. Additionally, when any player performs an Evil Act they will gain 1 E point. Evil acts include: E points cannot be transferred between players. When a player reaches 3 E points, they shall be declared a Villain. Although Villains cannot win the game, they have the following advantages; they can always attempt to steal from people whether or not they are of the thief profession, and they can choose to attack people without challenging them first. This functions in the same way as an accepted duel would. Villains are distinct from Despicable Fellows. In fact, there is nothing to stop Villains becoming Popular, although this in unlikely. As Villainy is the antithesis of Heroism, any player with both an E and an H point in their score will find that they cancel each other out. If a Villain is Forgiven by the Messiah, all his E points will be converted into H points. If any player defeats a Villain, they will gain 2H and 2P, and the Villain will forfeit 3 points to the victor, these points being chosen by the victor. The Villain loses his Villain status and becomes instead a Prisoner.
Decision: Okay - you get E points by doing evil things, but currently nobody's doing any of these things. Secondly, evil people can't win the game anyway as you have to be a Hero. Thirdly, what happens to negative E and H points. You should note that only one person would currently be evil, and who would want to be evil if it stopped them winning the game? The idea is quite interesting, but the execution falls down somewhat. Unfortunately rejected.
Score: 1 B point.

Proposal 276 (Jay Luo)

Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:56:51 -0500 (EST)
Praise: Glorious Emperor, allow us to raise up Castles in your Honour.
Proposal: A Lord of a City may use Glumba wood to build a Castle. The Lord must expend 6G from his score and as a result gains CASTLE in score.
Decision: Simple, yet effective. I like it! Accepted as Rule 130.
Score: 2 A points.
Note: While travelling to Adelia City, Jay is attacked by a Dingo, which he defeats.
Votes:
Yes: 1.
No: 2.

Proposal 277 (Death)

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 17:51:58 EST
Proposal: That should a Hero fight a duel without proper grounds, he shall be cast into disgrace, losing all his H points and all but one of his P points. Grounds for a duel shall be if the challengee 1) is a despicable fellow 2) is Infamous 3) is an anti-hero (negative H points) or 4) is worthy of challenge (having S+H 2 or more greater than that of the Hero).
Decision: Rejected as you forgot to include your popularity votes.
Score: -1A, 2B (no praise).
Votes:
Yes: 1.

Mistake report received from Jay Luo.

Point of Order 278 (Anarchy)

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:53:52 +0000 (GMT)
Point of Order: Shouldn't Resubmissions 207 and 180 now be decided on by Rule 114?
Comment: Yes they should. I'll fix that up now.
Note: Application of Rule 114 has resulted in disbandment of clique.

Proposal 279 (Anarchy)

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:53:52 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Enlightened Emperor who knows the true value of balance in all things, I propose that in order to make things more interesting and give the Heroic a challenge, that we can have Villainous players in the game. Players may declare themselves to be Evil. Evil players function just as normal players do, but they will get -H instead of H points. Anyone with negative H points is automatically considered to be Evil anyway. An evil player who reaches -3H is declared a Villain. Villains can win the game, just like Heroes. When fighting, Villains ignore any effects of H points because they use dishonourable tactics like the Demons do. Villains can Ambush anyone in the same location as them; this counts as a Duel, but there is no opportunity to reject it. They lose 1P for this. Should a Villain be forgiven by the Messiah, all their negative H will miraculously become positive H points. It is the duty of Heroes to defeat Villains. Anyone who defeats a Villain in combat shall gain +1H +2P in addition to whatever benefits they might normally gain, to discourage too many people from becoming Evil and to give the populace an incentive to deal with them.
Decision: How can I reject it now? You took my advice, so this one goes in as Rule 131.
Votes:
No: 1.

Proposal 280 (Anarchy)

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:53:52 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Immensely strong Emperor who can throw the Mountainous Mountains around like pebbles, I propose that if a political party has 2 successive proposals by its members either rejected or ignored it shall lose all its P points. Aspiring politicians ought to be able to submit good proposals.
Decision: Rejected. They already lose 2 P points for that as it is, and what if they're up to negative P points?
Votes:
Yes: 1.
The sun sets on the Empire.

Proposal 281 (Bill)

Bill loses out to a Creeper.
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:21:06 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Let the emperor's message be spread throughout the lands. And no talking back!
Proposal: This is to announce that the Imperial Sub-etheric Radio station will shortly be coming on air. We at ISR believe in giving YOU, the listeners, the programmes YOU want to hear! To this end we will appoint ordinary players as DJs, normally once every three days. The only qualification for becoming DJ is having positive popularity. The job is well rewarded and fun, so DJs receive a D and a J point immediately. To maintain a high standard, DJs who fail to fulfil their duties will be given The Boot: they lose the points they got when they were appointed and get a B point. They also lose the job, of course! As yet, the only duty of the DJ is to organise ISR's trivia competition, in which you can win a CD! The rules are simple: on accepting the job, the DJ will broadcast a question about the empire whose answer cannot be worked out just by looking at the rules etc, and announce the name of a CD to be the prize. Any player apart from the DJ and Despicable Fellows may submit one answer. At the end of the second day in the job, THS will forward all answers received to the DJ. We believe in running a fair competition, so the DJ will not be told who submitted them. The DJ will pick the best answer and the player who thought of it will receive the prize CD and have the chance to be the next DJ. If, in the DJ's opinion, no answers of any quality have been received, or if the competition winner does not want to become DJ, the existing DJ will retain the post for another three days, but not gain any more points. We have arranged that whenever ISR is without a DJ, TIE himself will appoint a successor! Imperial appointees are chosen at random from popular players unless TIE decides on a different method. A DJ appointed by the emperor may not refuse the post.
Decision: I welcome ISR to the Imperial household. Keep the music coming! As you are far and away the most popular player in the Empire, you are the first DJ. Rule 132
Votes:
Yes: 2.
No: 2.
False mistake report received from Bill.

Proposal 282 (Euler)

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:36:57 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: Oh Emperor, to us whose voise is as the song of birds
Proposal: An extention of the duel restriction rules... No player may have more than one unanswered duel challenge at any time.
Decision: Okay, but existing duels will be exempt. Becomes Rule 133.
Votes:
Yes: 1.
No: 1.

Proposal 283 (Bill)

Rule 48'ed.
Bill attacks and defeats a Creeper.
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:21:06 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: The Imperious Emperor is the securest of rulers, and may he never have to "spend more time with his family".
Proposal: A player may resign from a political Party (I recommend players use a capital P to distinguish them from parties of the social kind) by informing THS. If the Party has negative P, this will result in the player losing 1P by association (otherwise all the members would resign from an unpopular party and start again.) A Party with no members will be disbanded and no future Party can have the same name.
(Clique members cannot resign, if they want to leave they must do something to break up the clique.)
Decision: Rejected. I don't want fly by night political parties.
Votes:
No: 3.
Bill loses 1P.

5 Mistake Reports from Al-Istar.

Proposal 284 (Euler)

Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:49:40 +0000 (GMT)
Praise : Glory be to the Emperor, whose shoes never grow dull.
Proposal : In the page for 'Scores and Other Stats', there exists a section on Statistics About Points. I believe that this section came into existance because of the restricted points reservoir possessed by TIE. As this restriction is now lifted, surely this section of the page has outlived it's usefulness and should be erased to reduce the workload of THS.
Decision: Gratefully accepted with O point. Rule repealed.
Votes:
Yes: 2.

Proposal 285 (Tivol)

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 19:46:50 EST
Praise: Oh Absolutely Fantastic Emperor, for whom disk quota must surely not be a problem:
Proposal: I propose that every proposal except for this one itself must incude at least six million lines of text, each line being 80 characters long. Any proposal (besides this one) that fails to meet this requirement will be ignored.
Decision: Rejected. Does the phrase "malicious mischief" ring a bell?
Votes:
Yes: 1.
No: 4.
Tivol loses 1P.

Point of Order 286 (Tivol)

Point of Order: Does Rule 129 only refer to proposals in the sense of the passage of time, or can it be interpreted to mean that a player could vote on Points of Order and Parties since those submissions are equally valid voting material as proposals?
Decision: Your initial interpretation is correct.

Proposal 287 (Cerebus the Barbarian)

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:54:05 GMT
Praise: Most magnificent Emperor to whom all is possible even unto cheerfulness on a Monday morning.
Proposal: As a new Sapsucker citizen of your Great Empire I have noticed the strange behaviour of some points. I propose that G (Glumba wood), H (Hero), I (Infamy), K (Krossbow etc) and S (Strength) points should be restricted to zero or positive numbers. Players whose scores currently include -ve numbers of these points would have them raised to zero. Also future events which would have reduced H points below zero instead should reduce P by the same value (as the reduction of heroic status makes one unpopular and leads to Infamy per rule 104). Events which would have reduced S points below zero now have the unfortunate consequence of DEATH for the player concerned. In TIE's infinite mercy you may choose to give a one-off bonus of 1 S point to all players with no S points to avoid an untimely rash of fatalities.
Decision: Accepted with Modifications. The 1S bonus will be given, but H and I points can be negative as well as positive. Only G,K,S must be non-negative. Becomes Rule 133.
Votes:
Yes: 3.
No: 1.

Proposal 288 (Cerebus the Barbarian)

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 16:54:05 GMT
Praise: Fantastic Emperor your life is an example for all and your abilities miraculous. Give me your wisdom on my humble proposal.
Proposal: I suggest the following change to rule 119. As it is impossible for a player with no C points to win the game I suggest that a messiah should not have to renounce such points when he hands over his worldly wealth. I note that it is also impossible for an Infamous or Risable player to win the game, but in this I find no cause for concern as they are by definition unlikeable.
Decision: Okay. The Messiah can keep C points. Modifies Rule 119.
Score: 2 A points.
Votes:
No: 1.
Cerebus supports Al-Istar.

Tome 289 (Al-Istar)

Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:23:25 +0000 (GMT)
Al-Istar has graciously supplied a copy of his work "The Nomicon: Beeinge a Mystickall Hystorye of Ancyente Empyreall Lore" to the Imperial Library.

Point of Order 290 (Al-Istar)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:45:00 +0000 (GMT)
Point of Order: Proposal 287/Rule 134 has given me 1S which has taken me over the 31 point limit. By Rule 64, that means I gain -1S, making me dead. However, 'dead' has not yet been formally defined, and should be on the list of undefined terms.
Comment: Oh, yeah. You're dead. But that doesn't mean anything as yet.

Proposal 291 (Jay Luo)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 01:47:21 -0500 (EST)
Praise: Dedicated to TIE, the font from which all Honour flows.
Proposal: Dishonourable tactics only work in Ambush situations. The individual initiating an attack decides whether the attack is a dishonourable Ambush (H's not used) or an honourable Challenge (H's included). Villains are the only players who may Ambush. Demons always Ambush when attacking. Non-player attacks resulting from racial strife are always Challenges.
Decision: Accepted. Modifies existing rules.
Score: 2 A points.
Votes:
Yes: 1.
No: 2.

Proposal 292 (Al-Istar)

Rule 48'ed.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:23:25 +0000 (GMT)
Praise:Most Wise Emperor, who is greater than all Wonders
Proposal:The Great Monolith, Uluru may only be reached by a treacherous journey upriver from the town of Lice Springs, in southern Darnia. The journey is so dangerous, that an unskilled boatman has a 50% chance per point type of losing a point of that type; one H point will however be gained. Fortunately, the boatmen of Lice Springs are highly skilled at their craft (their annual regatta being famed throughought the Empire as a display of great skill and daring). For a fee of 5 Imperials a boatman can be hired to ferry a player to Uluru and back in perfect safety.
Decision: Rejected - No votes.
Score: Cerebus receives 1P, 1B.
Votes:
Yes: 1.

Proposal 293 (Al-Istar)

Rule 48'ed.
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:45:00 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: with my dying breath I praise my glorious Emperor.
Proposal: A player who becomes dead immediately loses all points, and is transported to a distant land, known as the gods' own country. A dead player no longer gains the usual rewards for proposals, but is awarded 1L (for Life) point per accepted proposal and loses 1L for a rejection (negative L points are allowable). No other points may be gained. On gaining 10L a dead player is restored to life in their last known location with 1C point. A dead player is not in a position to praise his emperor, and so this requirement is dropped. A dead player's proposals are only acceptable (though they may still be rejected) if they relate to some fixed property of the empire, such as geography or history (though not necessarily restricted to these two).
Decision: Great proposal, but rejected - you forgot to vote again.
Score: 1 B point.
Votes:
Yes: 1.
No: 1.

Mistake report received from Bill.

Point of Order 294 (Bill)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:51:31 +0000 (GMT)
Point of order: does rule 132 mean: 1) a player cannot challenge more than one other player at a time, or 2) e cannot be challenged by two or more players at once or 3) 1 and 2 or 4) no-one can be involved in two challenges?
Comment: Definition 1 is the case.

Mistake report received from Euler.

Proposal 295 (Euler)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:54:43 +0000 (GMT)
Praise : Oh Mighty Emperor, to whom the passing of a millenium is but a mere second of time.
Proposal: Should a duel be proposed between two players, and the challenged party refuse to fight, then at the moment, there is nothing to stop the challenger from challenging the same player again on receipt of this decision. Surely this is unfair, because the challenger would have already recieved 1 P point from the kitty of the challenged party. Because the challenged party would have had reasons for rejecting the duel in the first place, behaviour such as this could only be seen in the eyes of any just citizen of your Empire as bullying. I would therefore propose that should a duel be rejected by the challenged party, then another challenge between the same parties may not be issued for a period of two days (40 proposals).
Decision: Accepted as Rule 134, except that 40 Proposals is actually one day and one night, so 40 proposals will be kept as the time limit.
Score: 2 A points.

Point of Order 296 (Anarchy)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:38:59 +0000 (GMT)
Point of order: What are the game implications of death? Since it isn't listed as an Undefined Term, what are the benefits and disadvantages of being dead?
Comment: It has since been listed as an undefined term, but thanks for noticing.

Proposal 297 (Anarchy)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:38:59 +0000 (GMT)
Proposal: Hail The Immortal Emperor from whom all life flows. Players may trade 1D for a D Shield, which protects them from Demons and Wild Animals. Possession of a D shield confers the following benefits; you get +1 to your die roll; and if defeated, you lose 1 A point instead of H or S.
Decision: All these shields, but no-one's using them! Besides, who'd waste 7A points worth of D on a lousy shield? Rejected.
Score: 1 B point.

Proposal 298 (Anarchy)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 12:38:59 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: O most wise and worthy ruler, your humble servant brings you the following suggestion;
Proposal: Anyone who Resubmits an Unpopular Proposal but has the Resubmission rejected by the Court of Appeal shall forfeit 1P point to the original proposer, gain 2 B points, and may not make any further Resubmissions until a different player has made a Resubmission.
Decision: Accepted as Rule 135.
Score: 2 A points.

Proposal 299 (Cerebus the Barbarian)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:26:15 GMT
Praise: Celebrated Emperor, whose presence is a cause for rejoicing.
Proposal: I propose a modification to rule 130 (Evil players and villains) to bring it more into line with rule 104 (Infamous players). Evil players and villains are unpopular and on the road to being infamous, therefore players that declare themselves to be evil, or have -H points should have thier P points reduced to zero if currently greater than zero.
Decision: Accepted. It is reasonable that villains are unpopular, and this will be modified to make it a permanent state of affairs.
Score: 2 A points.
Votes:
No: 1.
Mistake report received from Cerebus.

Proposal 300 !!!!!! (Bill)

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:52:48 +0000 (GMT)
Praise: The emperor's bathroom is the cleanest in the visible universe.
Proposal: That a new DJ be appointed.
Decision: Accepted because of extenuating circumstances. Does not affect rule set. New DJ is Anarchy.
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