Proposer: Denis Proposed: 7 Oct 1994 Proposal: A player may challenge The Imperious Emperor. Other players may then submit one vote each, either for the challenger or for the Emperor. If the challenger gets four votes before the Emperor then he becomes the new Emperor. Decision:Rejected Score: +1 Total: 1 Reason: My autocratic ego needs to be fed before democracy can be considered.
Proposal 2
Proposer: Stripes Proposed: 8 Oct 1994 Proposal: The proposer of a rule that invalidates other rules gains one half a point for each invalidate rule. Decision: Accepted as Rule 21 Score: +3 Total: 3
Proposal 3
Proposer: Olivier Proposed: 9 Oct 1994 Proposal: Any player may submit one Consitutional rule. If the rule is accepted, the proposer gains 2 points at the acceptance, half a point each time the rule is applied, and the rule can not be invalidate in any way. A Consitutional rule can not be proposed by the same player until all players have proposed one. Decision: Rejected. Score: +1 Total: 1 Reason: We cannot know when all players have proposed such a rule, as we do not have a set number of players. In any case, I think the half points may become too difficult to administer.
Proposal 4
Proposer: Stefan Proposed: 10 Oct 1994 Proposal: The original proposer of an invalidated rule loses half the points originally awarded for proposing the rule. Decision: Accepted as Rule 22. Score: +3 Total: 3
Proposal 5
Proposer: THS Proposed: 10 Oct 1994 Proposal: A Player shall be anyone who has made a Proposal in the last month; if someone has made a proposal more than a month ago and none since, that person shall be called a Latent Player. Latent Players can't gain points for any reason, although they can of course submit a proposal to become an active player again. Decision: Accepted as Rule 23. Score: +3 Total: 3
Proposal 6
Proposer: Olivier Proposed: 11 Oct 1994 Proposal: A player can be The Gracious Favorite on the decision of TIE. TGF gain one more point each time one of his proposal is accepted, but loses half of his points when TIE rejects one of his proposal. TIE decides along his own Royal Judgement to who he gives his Favour. Decision: Accepted as Rule 25, with the following amendment: If TGF has 2 proposals rejected in a row he is no longer TGF.
The current TGF is Denis Howe for Rule 24. Score: +3 Total: 4
Proposal 7
Proposer: Thrud Proposed: 11 Oct 1994 Proposal: Any proposal that attempts in anyway to undermine the authority of the Emperor, shall be rejected due to the trade winds over the Equator. Which have the desirable effect of making the Emperor hot and bothered and hence egotistical. Even if this does not occur (i.e. the Emperor is eating an ice-cream) the proposal should be rejected, due to the grovelling nature of this proposal. Decision: Rejected. Score: +1 Total: 1 Reason: TIE does not need a new rule to stamp down on those who attempt to undermine his authority (and I'm not *that* close to the equator).
Proposal 8
Proposer: Denis Proposed: 11 Oct 1994 Proposal: Each player must invent an interesting name for his current location. A player may initially move to any another location simply by naming it, and by doing so, connect those two locations. Once a connection has been made, it may not be changed. Each location may connect to at most two others and once two connections have been made from a location, players may only move out of it along those connections. The Humble Scribe will publish the names of all locations, but not which locations are connected or who is where. The Humble Scribe will inform individual players whether an attempted movement has succeeded or not. Decision : Accepted as Rule 24. Score: +3 Bonus Score: +2 for brilliance of proposal, -1 for amount of work for THS. Total: 5
Proposal 9
Proposer: Tivol Proposed: 12 Oct 1994 Proposal: If a Player submits a proposal where, after all the possible bonus points are added up, the Player stands to have a higher total score after the proposal is rejected than if it is accepted, then the Player will receive none of the points normally awarded upon decision. The proposal still gets decided, however. Decision: Accepted as Rule 27 Score: +3 Total: 3
Proposal 10
Proposer: Kelly DeYoe Proposed: 12 Oct 1994 Proposal: The number of points awarded for any action must be an integer. If the number of points to be awarded is not an integer, the number of points actually awarded will be the nearest even (i.e. evenly divisible by 2) integer. Decision: Accepted as Rule 28. Score: +3 Total: 3
Proposal 11
Proposer: Stefan Proposed: 12 Oct 1994 Proposal: A player must attempt to change location with each proposal. If unsuccessful, he receives only half the points he would normally gain for that proposal. Any point losses, on the other hand, are doubled. Reversing one's previous move is not allowed. Decision: Accepted as Rule 29. Score: +3 points. Bonus Points: -1.5 points per Rule 29, +0.5 points per Rule 28. Total: 5
Proclamation 12
THE IMPERIOUS EMPEROR PROCLAIMETH:
Everyone shall start in The Grand Central Square. This shall be a default for new players.
As the THS interprets this, since at most two exits may be from a given location, a player may teleport out of the Grand Central Square at any time. Furthermore, no connections may be made to the GCS.
Recorded as Rule 26.
Proclamation 13
THE IMPERIOUS EMPEROR PROCLAIMETH:
Proclamation: The Imperial Emperor and his Good Lady Emperor have just purchased a new Imperial Palace in the leafy Melbourne suburb of Ashwood.
To celebrate this most momentous of occasions, all players who have previously submitted a proposal shall receive 1 bonus point.
THS note: So noted. All current players receive 1 extra point.
Move 14
Proposer: Olivier Proposed: 13 Oct 1994 Successful?: Yes
Point-Of-Order 15
Proposer: Denis Proposed: 13 Oct 1994 Point-Of-Order: Are connections bi-directional or uni-directional?
Response: Bi-directional.
Proposal 16
Proposer: Denis Proposed: 13 Oct 1994 Proposal: The Humble Scribe will, if requested, tell a player which other players are at his current location and what it looks like. Move: Successful Decision: Accepted as Rule 30. Score: +3 Total: 9
Proposal 17
Proposer: Tivol Proposed: 13 Oct 1994 Proposal: No two players may have the same number of points if their scores are greater than or equal to ten. If a player gains points and his new score would equal another player's score, one additional point is added to his score. If a player lost points to bring him to his new tying score, then one additional point is subtracted. This rule may have to be implemented many times in a row for one player. Move: Successful Decision: Accepted as Rule 31. Score: +3 Total: 7
Move 18
Proposer: Stefan Proposed: 13 Oct 1994 Successful?: Yes
Point-Of-Order 19
Proposer: Thrud Proposed: 13 Oct 1994 Point of Order: Rule 28 has been broken, see Proposal 11 (12 Oct 1994). The Bonus points awarded for Proposal 11, have broken Rule 28, as -1.5 points, and -0.5 points were awarded. Rule 28 states that if the number of points are not an integer, the points awarded should be the nearest even integer. Therefore, the actual points awarded as the Bonus should be -2 and -2 (totalling -4), as they are the nearest even integers. I know the total bonus points awarded add up to -2, and thus satisfies the rule, but as the points are awarded from 2 sources, this contravenes the Rule.
Response: The -0.5 was awarded because of this rule, not in contravention of it. However, it is incorrect, it should be +0.5 points. Points awarded for proposal 11 should read:
+3 points (for accepted proposal for rule 29) -1.5 points (as proposal contravenes rule 29)
this leaves total at 1.5, this means rule 28 is invoked..
+0.5 points (for rule 28) total for proposal : 2 points.
Proposal 20
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 13 Oct 1994
Proposal: Players may issue a Challenge to another Player with each proposal. A player may accept
this challenge with his next proposal, i.e. Challenge
Proposal 21
Proposer: Stefan
Proposed: 13 Oct 1994
Proposal: The maximal number of locations, in addition to the Grand Central Square is twice the
number of active players (i.e. ones who have submitted proposals during this game. After this
number has been reached, a player must attempt to connect to an existing location. If a player
enters a location which is already occupied, he must transfer one point to the player who was in
that location first.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 33.
Score: +3
Total: 9
Proposal 22
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 13 Oct 1994
Salutation: Hail, O Great Boss of this pretty interesting, although perhaps slightly unstable,
empire!
Proposal: I propose to accept the proposal that all Experienced Players with a name with less than
four characters gain 3 bonus points every time a proposal is rejected, to compensate these
unfortunate subjects of the Greatest Ruler ever for the misfortune that they have such a short
name, and thus resulting in a higher level of average happiness in your Illustrous Empire!
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 34, but beware, application of this rule may have interesting
results....
Score: +3
Total: 3
Proposal 23
Proposer: THS
Proposed: 13 Oct 1994
Proposal: The Player who first moved to a Location must also send a description of that location to
THS.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 35.
Score: +3
Total: 7
Proposal 24
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 13 Oct 1994
Proposal: In the unlikely event that rounding, leapfrogging, and other point changing circumstances
(brought on by Rule 25, Rule 31 and their ilk) causes a player's score to be continually bounced
between values in an unending loop, the player's score will be arbitrarily set to five points and
all further adjustments to that score will cease until another event provokes a change in score. If
this rule itself contributes to a paradoxical situation, then this rule will overpower such a
situation. This rule itself should also be considered when working with other scoring situations,
such as Rule 27.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: THS and mcv each receive 3 points, per Rule 34. Total: 8
Reason: Not necessary (yet!). There is no circumstances at the moment under which this rule could
be invoked.
Proclamation 25
THE IMPERIOUS EMPEROR PROCLAIMETH:
Proclamation: No player may move location until at least 2 other players have moved location.
THS note: Recorded as Rule 36.
Proclamation 26
THE IMPERIOUS EMPEROR PROCLAIMETH:
The construction works in the empire are now complete. This means a number of rule changes have
taken place. Rule 24 has been abolished. [So noted. --THS] In its place are several new rules.
There are 24 locations within the empire.
There are now 4 connections to/from each location.
There are only 2 connections to/from the Imperial Palace.
There are 6 connections to/from the Grand Central Square.
A player may move to a location by naming it or by specifying a direction to move (North, South,
East or West). If there is no connection to a place that is named, then the move fails. A
directional move will always work, as every location has a connection in each of the 4 directions.
The one exception is the Imperial Palace from which you can only move Up or Down. The 2 extra
directions at the Grand Central Square are also Up and down.
A map of all existing locations and connections is rumoured to exist, but will not be revealed to
players.
Connections cannot be removed.
The names of all locations will be published, but not which locations are connected or who is
where. THS will inform players whether an attempted move has succeeded or not.
THS Notes: Recorded as Rule 37.
Rule Modifications
Rule 26 has been modified to read : All new players shall start in the Grand Central Square.
Rule 30 has been modified to read : THS will tell a player which other players are at his current
location and what it looks like.
Rule 33 has been modified to read: A player must attempt to move to an existing location. If a
player enters a location which is already occupied, he must transfer one point to each player who
was already in that location.
Proposal 27
Proposer: Stefan
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Proposal: The Humble Scribe shall publish descriptions of each location, to allow players to decide
whether a particular location is a desirable destination, and to reduce his workload under Rule 30.
Move: None
Decision: Rejected.
Score: 1 point - 0.5 points for unsuccessful move (none) -0.5 points per rule 28 = 0 points scored.
Other Point Changes: THS, mcv each receive 3 Points per Rule 34.
Total: 9
Reason: You've got the names of all locations. You want descriptions as well? Unfortunately the
capital expenditure budget for the Empire ran out with the construction of connections to all 24
locations, we did not have enough money to put up sign posts, or to put out tourist brochures.
You'll have to find out what a place looks like when you get there, and hope that you can work out
from the description what the place actually is.
Proposal 28
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Proposal: All players, shall have a name, that begins with a capital letter. Those that do not are
fined 3 points on the spot, and 1 point henceforth with every proposal they make. If that proposal
fails they are fined 2 for being very stupid as well as untidy and improperly dressed. As people
should have more respect for themselves, they are so untidy, its a disgrace!
Move: Unsuccessful
Decision: Rejected
Score: 1 point -0.5 points (unsuccessful move), -0.5 points (rule 28) = 0
Other Point Changes: THS and mcv each receiv 3 points per Rule 34.
Total: 5
Reason: In this most benevolent empire, we try not to pick on those less fortunate than ourselves.
Point-Of-Order 29
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Point of Order: When a player submits a proposal, he has to try to move to a new location. However,
if he submits a proposal after 2 players have submit a proposal since his last, and 1 of the those
players fails to move. Then what happens to the player, as only 1 player will have moved (see Rule
36)? Does he get to move, or does he fail and hence what about the points scored for an accepted or
rejected proposal (Rule 29)?
Response: As the rule stands, he has to wait for somebody else to move. Rule 29 is fairly vague
about what happens when a player does not move, and certainly represents opportunity for further
legislation. As I am judging it in the mean time, a no move will be scored as an automatic
unsuccessful move. There are a number of ways to legislate around this (a default move, a penalty
for no move...).
Proposal 30
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Proposal replaced with Proposal 33.
Move: Successful
Other Score Changes: -2 to mcv, +1 to Kelly, +1 to Denis, per Rule 33. +1 to Denis, per Rule 31.
Total: 4
Point-Of-Order 31
Proposer: THS
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: If someone doesn't submit a move with eir proposal, what should I do? Post the
proposal and dock them the half-points? Or not post it at all?
Response: The proposal should be posted. It will be judged on its merits. If no move is specified,
then we will treat this as an unsuccessful move as far as handing out point go (ie award only half
points for the proposal). However this proposal will not count as a move for the purposes of rule
36. As I said earlier, this represents an opportunity for further legislation, and the player who
does clear this anomaly up will be looked upon favorably.
Point-Of-Order 32
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Point of Order: Can The Humble Scribe win the game? It seems like he's currently in the lead with
10 points. [At the time this was proposed, I was in the lead with 10 Pts. Since then, Denis has
taken over, with 11. --THS]
Response: Rule 2 says that anyone can play! THS has 2 distinct advantages over the other players as
I see it. He gets to see my replies as soon as I've sent them and can therefore submit new
proposals/moves before anyone else. Secondly, he has a better than even chance of making a
successful move, as he has more information on locations/connections than other players have. He is
also getting considerable assistance from Rule 34. To counter his advantages, I would suggest
submitting proposals designed to remove/nullify these advantages. Rule 34 in particular had results
which I did not foresee, perhaps this rule needs some modification.
Proposal 33
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Salutations: Brilliant Lord, Elucidated Ruler of The Greatest Empire.
Proposal: Only the Imperious Emperor is magnificent enough to deserve a capital letter in his name.
No one except the Illuminated Emperor is allowed to use capital lletters in his or her name. All
players who violate this rule will lose all points, and will not be able to gain any new points,
until they admit their lowlyness and assume a name with only lowercase letters.
Move: Unsuccessful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: 0 points (per rule 27)
Other Point Changes: THS receives 3 points per Rule 34
Total: 4
Reason: Rule 16 says players can use only one name, and I'm not about to take all points away from
every player except for you.
Point-Of-Order 34
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: Do previously created links between rooms exist? When someone moves from one named
room to another, will the travelled direction be given? Will this rule be enacted retroactively to
inform people who already moved which direction they went? [THS notes that he has sent a similar
question to TIE; He also notes that he has kept a log of all moves, so that he can show location
relations.]
Response: All previous links still exist, except as advised in the proclamation forwarded from the
Ministry of Works (GCS-Valdemar no longer exists). THS will now advise which direction a player
moved, if a successful named move is made. This will not be made retroactive, unless THS feels like
the extra work. [And he does. As soon as he gets all the Players' moves straightened out he will be
mailing everyone "what they know". --THS]
Point-Of-Order 35
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: Our current TGF was picked because of a rule that our illustrious TIE abolished.
Granted, TIE "decides along his own Royal Judgement to who [sic: whom] he gives his Favour," but I
thought it deserved to be brought up.
Response: I still think it was a very good rule, and it was only abolished to make way for another
set of rules along the same lines. I don't think I'll change my TGF yet.
Proposal 36
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 14 Oct 1994
Salutation: Oh glorious emperor whose ultimate greatness defies words:
Proposal: All proposals must fulfill the requirements it would place on other proposals, or a
penalty/boon of twenty-five points will immediately be levied upon the player. (Note that this
proposal fulfills its only requirement by fulfilling its only requirement.)
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 39, but the penalty will only be 5 points.
Score: +3, +1 per Rule 31
Total: 12
Proposal 37
Proposer: THS
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Proposal: Rule 34 is very dangerous; it should be abolished. I propose that Rule 34 be abolished
and any points received from it be rescinded.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: 0
Other Point Changes: mcv +3 per Rule 34.
Total: 18
Reason: I would prefer players to try and work around or nullify a particularly nasty rule, than to
flat out abolish it. There are ways of effectively doing this...
Proclamation 38
FROM THE MINISTRY OF WORKS:
As part of the recent construction works, the former connection from Grand Central Square to
Valdemar has been removed. We apologise for the inconvenience.
Proclamation 39
IMPERIAL NEWS BULLETIN:
This urgent news flash is to warn all subjects to beware of a gangster that goes by the name of
Longbeard the Cut-throat. Longbeard is known to be lurking in one of the known locations in the
realm. If discovered, he will immediately initiate combat, according to rule 32. As he is a
despicable fellow, there is no chance for a player to decline the duel. At the end of any duel,
Longbeard will disappear from his current location and spirit himself away by means unknown to
another location at random. For the purposes of duelling, Longbeard always has a score of 10
points. His score is unaffected by battle. Yours is.
Proposal 40
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 16 Oct 1994
Proposal: A player may at any time report a mistake made by the Humble Scribe. If the Imperious
Emperor decides that it was indeed a mistake, the reporting player gains 2 points, and the Humble
Scribe loses 3 points.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 39. However, if the error reported is considered to be too petty then it
will be ignored. If the error turns out to be made by the Imperial Emperor, then the player will
lose 1 point for daring to point out his Emperor's mistakes.
Score: +1
Total: 14
Point-Of-Order 41
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: Proposal 37 was rejected, but none of the players with a name of less than 4
characters got any points for it. [Yes, that's true. Actually, I should have gotten 0 points
because if it had passed I would have lost 9, while if it was rejected I would have gained 3. Sigh.
--THS]
Response: 0 points for THS, extra 3 points (per rule 34) for mcv. No points are awarded for THS
making a mistake, as the I entered the score for that proposal, not THS. The rule about pointing
out mistakes made by TIE also will not be invoked, as it was not in place when this point-of-order
was lodged. [So noted. --THS]
Point-Of-Order 42
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Point of Order: THS has 19 points!!!! A bit unfair, since he cannot make an unsuccessful move. I
suggest an ammendment to Rule 2, so that THS may not play. [You might try proposing it, then.
--THS]
Response: Read response to Point-of-order 32. I would also prefer to see other ways to prevent THS
from scoring heavily, rather than banning him from playing. Remember that the majority of his
points have come from Rule 34, which was not even proposed by him. Have a look at Proposal 40 for
an example of how to legislate against THS.
Point-Of-Order 43
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Point of Order: Rule 34 starts off with - All Experienced Players, who says that mcv and all those
players with under four letters is an experienced player? Who is an experienced player? [Indeed. I
was going under the assumption that anyone who had experience in Fascist was Experienced. --THS]
Response: Indeed, I agree with THS. As no-one else has further defined the word 'experienced', by
submitting a proposal to define it, then an experienced player is any player. Once again I suggest
- submit a proposal!
Point-Of-Order 44
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Point of Order: Compensating the so-called `unfortunate subjects of the Greatest Ruler ever for the
misfortune that they have such a short name'does in no way result `in a higher level of average
happiness in your Illustrous Empire!'. This does lead to a society where certain players, reap the
benefits To avert this potential political hotbed, and in TIE's own words, `In this most benevolent
empire, we try not to pick on those less fortunate than ourselves', I suggest that Rule 34 be
scrapped. I demand a referendum and call upon all fellow citizens of this empire to voice their
opinions! [Again, you might try proposing this... --THS]
Response: Ignored. Submit a proposal.
Proposal 45
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Proposal: I propose that players may apply for planning permission from TIE for the opening of a
shop. In this application (which the TIE and THS only see) a player must describe where the shop is
to be set up (1 per location) what it sells and the price. The cost of setting up a shop is 5
points. The shops will not be listed or what they sell. Only when you reach a location may you see
what shop is there. (Extra option, player gets half the profits, rest go to TIE). The cost of
applying for planning permission is 0 points.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 40, extra option included. Once planning approval has been given the
player has to move to the location specified to set up shop, he loses the 5 points at that stage.
He does not have to remain at the location for the shop to operate. (good proposal!)
Score: +3
Total: 8
Application 46
Applicant: Thrud
Applied: 17 Oct 1994
Application for Planning Permission: Accepted.
Response: Umm, wasn't this just supposed to have been sent to me, and not posted? I suppose it's
reasonable that it was posted, considering it was submitted prior to the rule being approved.
Planning permission granted. Player will need to move to Kurt Cobain's brain to set up shop. I
would like to see some more proposals to further define combat... Is using dice ok with THS? tie.
[THS note: It seemed to me that Player Thrud was merely sending some sort of Point-Of-Order, or
perhaps a Proposal, as there was no legislation to govern it! Due to the acceptance of Proposal 45,
I have made the Application private. Yes, dice are fine. 2d6, I believe, was what was specified.
Further note to ambitious proposal writers: I have 4,6,8,10,12, and 20 sided dice, and don't be
afraid to assign specific chances (eg 1 in 13 chance...) to an event; I can always *easily* write a
computer program to do it. --THS]
Point-Of-Order 47
Proposer: Denis
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: Either Rule 35 should read "The Player who first *occupied* a Location..." (rather
than "moved to") or THS should tell us when we are the first player to move to a location.
[Actually, I have been. In the first batch of locations, before TIE created the others, I just sent
out a group letter to everyone, requesting that they describe them. Now, I just let them know if
they move into a previously undescribed room that they are to send a description. --THS]
Response: THS has answered this sufficiently.
Point-Of-Order 48
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 17 Oct 1994
Point of Order: When I proposed rule 34, I had a rule from a previous game of Fascist in mind,
where experienced players were players who had made at least 2 proposals, one of which had been
accepted. At the time I did the proposal, I wouldn't have been an experienced player if that rule
had been valid in this game, so I was even being nice (and I didn't even know that the rule would
have these implications (not that I don't like the implications (although my idea was to get 4
points for rejected proposals, instead of 0))). But if someone would propose a rule that defined an
Experienced Player as someone whose name starts with a Q, I wouldn't get any points from rule 34
from that moment.
Response: Well said. And until someone does, you'll happily receive 3 points for every rejected
proposal!
Proclamation 49
IMPERIAL NEWS BULLETIN:
A calamity has struck the empire! The Imperial Emperor's most beloved daughter The Pouting Princess
has been kidnapped! Sources say that the kidnapper is the renowned villain, Longbeard the
Cut-throat. All players are asked to search to all corners of the empire to find the Emperor's
daughter and return her safely to him. A reward of 5 point is offered to the player who returns The
Pouting Princess to the Imperial Palace.
Longbeard is known to be hiding in one of the 24 known locations. Your task is to find him, and
defeat him in combat. You will then have freed the princess from his clutches, you will then need
to find your way to the Imperial Palace to deliver the Princess and collect your reward. Remember,
it is the player who actually delivers the princess to the Palace that gets the reward, so watch
out for other players who may then defeat you in combat before getting to the Palace!
Proposal 50
Proposer: Silvorien
Proposed: 18 Oct 1994
Proposal: Anyone with an o in their name should be summoned to the Anarchist Party Headquarters to
account for their scoring when they should in fact be causing havoc.They will be held there for one
day and will not be able to make any proposals or attempt to make any moves for one day.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: +3 to mcv and THS per Rule 34.
Total: 1
Reason: Too hard to administer with players/TIE/THS in different time zones.
Proposal 51
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 18 Oct 1994
Proposal: An experienced player is defined as a player who has a vowel in his/her name. Experienced
players should be able to construct a name properly.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 41.
Score: +3, +2 per Rule 31.
Total: 13
Proposal 52
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 18 Oct 1994
Proposal: I propose that rule 7 be ammended to say "A game ends when a player whose name is three
letters has exactly twenty points."
Move: Unsuccessful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: -1, -1 per Rule 29.
Total: 10
Reason: Every player should have a chance of winning the game.
Proposal 53
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 18 Oct 1994
Proposal: Every player must submit a proposal at least once a week, or lose 2 points each week,
until they become a Latent Player.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 42.
Score: +1
Total: 16
Mistake Report 54
Reporter: Tivol
Reported: 18 Oct 1994
Report: i realize i don't ever have to reveal my location and previous moves, but my very first
move (before the grand map was created) was from the coolest playground in the world to the
imperial palace, the move that accompanied proposal 13. now i tried to move again from the coolest
playground to the imperial palace, and that move was unsuccessful. this move was not a reversal of
a previous move (prohibited by rule 29) but a repetition of an old move. since connections cannot
be removed (by 37), i believe the blockage of my move is a serious error by the Humble Scribe. i'd
like to have my move be changed to successful and my points chalked up for citing this error.
[included are the two notices of my movements, but these can be left out.]
Evidence
[Um... Er... --THS]
Response: Hmmm. It appears that in your haste to move to the Imperial Palace the first time around
you neglected to notice another place along the way, ie you made 2 moves at once. Now that you are
more cautious, you realise that there is no way to get from the Coolest Playground to the Imperial
Palace in less than 2 moves. As you were so hasty the first time around, I won't give you a
description of the place you by-passed. For now, you remain in the Coolest Playground, however,
since I am a most generous Emperor, I will accept your version of events and award the points you
ask for.
Current Points : 10
Points Awarded : +1 (for revokation of penalty applied in proposal 52), +2 (per rule 39), +1 (per
rule 31)
Total : 14 points.
Other scores : THS -3 points (per rule 39), total 19 points.
Mistake Report 55
Reporter: mcv
Reported: 19 Oct 1994
Report: For proposal 51 Thrud gained 3 points (the proposal was accepted), and 2 extra points
because of rule 28. Rule 28 says that the number of points awarded must be an integer. If it's not,
the number of points will be the nearest even number instead. Since when is 3 not an integer? And
since when is 5 even?
[Whoops! I meant Rule 31. However, the score was correct. Correction made. --THS]
Response: Well ok then, +2 point to mcv, -3 points to THS. But I will be inclined in the future to
ignore mistake reports that have no actual affect on the scoring.
Point-Of-Order 56
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 19 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: THS has sent me the description of the location that I have now moved to,
unfortunately THS has failed to say what the new location is called. Could THS please email me with
the location that I have just moved from please. [No, you are supposed to get the description but
not the name of the location. See Prop #27. --THS]
Response: THS has answered this.
Point-Of-Order 57
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 19 Oct 1994
Point of Order: Rule 37, out of the 24 locations, only two have the exits up and down (Grand
Central Square and the Imperial Palace, the other 22 locations have exits north, east, south and
west. Now if the locations all have 4 exits or more, then I would guess that there is wrap around
on the map. That is, a location on the west side, will if you move west, take you to a location on
the east side of the map. If only two locations have up or down, then the Grand Central Square is
connected to the Imperial Palace, twice? Is there wrap around there, that is from GCS, if you go
either up or down, you will move to TIP? [Your deductions are fallacious: you assume that going
east from A to B means that going west from B gets you to A. Not so. (Not necessarily, anyway.)
--THS]
Response: Answered by THS.
Proposal 58
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 19 Oct 1994
Proposal: THS will tell a player the name of the location that he is currently in (after move,
whether successful or not), this is necessary as a player can either name a location to move to, or
specify a direction to move in (hence does not know where he has moved to). THS will also tell a
player which other players are at his current location and what it looks like.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted (almost). THS should already supply a description of the current location and
note any other players met at a location, so no need for any change. The new rule is : At a cost of
1 point a player can ask THS to supply the name of his current location. [Recorded as Rule 43.
--THS]
Score: +1, +1 per Rule 31
Total: 13
Reason:
Mistake Report 59
Reporter: mcv
Reported: 19 Oct 1994
Report: After proposal 45 Thrud had 8 points, and after gaining 5 points (which I think should be 3
(see previous report)) for proposal 51, he has 8. I suppose he lost 5 points because of his
Application, but I can't find any reference to this anywhere. [*Sigh* it was correct in the score
listing; I had forgotten to change it in the proposal listing. Correction made. --THS]
Response: The score was correct in the current score listing, and you've already received points
for pointing out a mistake in this proposal, so no points awarded.
Proposal 60
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 19 Oct 1994
Salutation: Magnificent Lord who makest the earth tremble! Thy loyal servant humbly presents thee a
proposal.
Proposal: Thou couldst reward proposals that are prefaced with a salutation that illustrateth thine
brilliant magnificence with 1 extra point for the proposer, while proposals without a salutation or
with only a meager salutation should result in a 1 point punishment for the proposer. (Proposals
with a decent, but not very good, salutation would not result in any bonusses or penalties.) [Are
you *TRYING* to make life more difficult for me?! --THS]
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: -1 points
Other Score Changes: +1 to Tivol, -1 to mcv per Rule 33; +2 to Tivol per Rule 27, -2 to mcv per
Rule 27
Total: 14
Reason: My brilliant magnificence is not illustrated by salutations, but by ever more glorious
rules.
Proposal 61
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 21 Oct 1994
Challenge: mcv
Proposal: All proposals must fulfill the requirements that are placed upon it by the current
ruleset, unless the proposal aims to rectify or abolish a contradictive rule.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: -1 to Thrud, +1 to Stripes per Rule 33
Total: 15
Reason:
Proposal 62
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 20 Oct 1994
Proposal: Although we are all blessed and lucky to be citizens of the Empire and in that sense we
are all winners, it would be nice to think that there can be one player who is head and shoulders
above the rest once the game finally ends (as per Rule Seven.) Therefore, Rule 7 should be ammended
to include the fact that a player whose score is exactly 20 points shall be dubbed "The Winner."
The Winner will also receive lovely gifts from all of the stores throughout the Empire, go on a
two-week vacation Near Swan Lake, and be awarded a four million dollar gift certificate at the
Department Store. (As the game is over, it won't do any good, but The Winner will at least feel
better.)
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted.
Score: +1
Total: 18
Reason:
Mistake Report 63
Reporter: mcv
Reported: 21 Oct 1994
Report: After proposing proposal 60, I had 17 points. Suddenly I see this has been changed to 14.
The first point I lost extra, was due to rule 33, which states that if a player enter a location
that is already occupied by another player, one point is transferred from the entering player to
the other player. The problem is: the location I entered was empty when I entered.
[Yup. Tivol was there, but my prog snafu'ed (didn't have Tivol on record, for some reason... had to
reconstruct his moves.) on me, and said nobody was there... --THS]
Evidence
Response: ok, +2 points for mcv [+1 per Rule 31 --THS], -3 points for THS.
Proposal 64
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 21 Oct 1994
Proposal: As soon as a player reaches a total number of points that's exactly one less than a prime
number, that player gets 1 extra point, just because prime number are actually pretty nice numbers.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 44. 1 extra point will be awarded every time a player reaches scores
...0,1,2,4,6,10,12,16,18,22.....
Score: +1 (+1 per Rule 31)
Total: 19
Proclamation 65
THE IMPERIOUS EMPEROR PROCLAIMETH:
Rule 31 has been modified to read: No two players may have the same number of points if their
scores are greater than or equal to ten. If a player gains points and his new score would equal
another player's score, one additional point is added. If a player lost points to bring him to a
tying score, then one additional point is subtracted. A player may not reach 20 points via this
rule, if application of this rule would bring a player's score to 20 points then an additional
point is added (if player was gaining points) or subtracted (if a player was losing points). This
rule may be applied several times in any one proposal in order to satisfy the requirement that no
players have equal scores.
THS note:
Point-Of-Order 66
Proposer: THS
Proposed: 23 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: With Thrud's proposal (#61) I come up with an interesting dilemma... after all the
point changes have been applied, he has a change of +0. This makes his score 15, however the score
15 is already owned by someone (namely, himself). Now, does this make his score 18 (the next
highest score), or 13 (the next lowest score), or stay at 15?
Response: Leave it at 15. Rule 31 says... 'No two players may have...', so there is no conflict.
Proposal 67
Proposer: THS
Proposed: 23 Oct 1994
Proposal: Rule 7 shall be modified to read as follows: If a Player has exactly 20 Points and there
are no hostages currently held by the evil Longbeard, then that Player wins.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 7.
Score: +1
Total: 14
Point-Of-Order 68
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 24 Oct 1994
Point-of-Order: When I looked up Game 4 of Facist, and I looked at the current scores, to my
astonishment I saw that 13 is a higher score than 15! THS had 13 points and I had 15, yet he placed
himself above me. I demand an apology from THS for this behaviour (and that he be docked some
points), as I have been offended! [Tough. You have a real penchant for useless Points of Order,
don't you? You might note your current position on the list--which, I might add, could just as well
be ordered by alphabetical or by birthday, for all I care. Right now it is in decreasing order of
respect I have for that player. --THS]
Response: Read decision on proposal 40. This is an example of a petty error report. Ignored.
Proposal 69
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 24 Oct 1994
Proposal: TGF has to propose a proposal at least twice every week, or forfeit the right to be TGF.
TIE will then decide who the new TGF will be.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 45. Denis Howe is no longer TGF. The new TGF will be decided at a later
date.
Score: +1, +1 per Rule 44
Total: 17
Point-Of-Order 70
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 24 Oct 1994
Point-of-Order: Thrud doesn't care what THS thinks about his points of order, as he can make as
many as he feels like. Also Don is the THS and hence has to place them on the web. If Don does not
enjoy his position then by all means he may quit! (Thrud is not going to be pushed into an argument
as he cannot be bothered to write all this out). [Uh, sure. I enjoy it fine, thank you. --THS]
Response: THS provides a service that we should all thank him for, it does take a considerable
amount of time and effort to perform this task. If you do wish to set up an alternate Fascist web
page, by all means go ahead, I'm sure that Don and Denis will add links in their pages to yours,
But in the mean time, I suggest you respect the work that Don has put into this and stick to
playing the game. It would be appreciated by all concerned, that you (and others) give up on
trivial points-of-order, and continue making proposals (some of which have been very good and have
greatly contributed to the flow of the game).
Proposal 71
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 24 Oct 1994
Declaration: I'm so happy that I can play in this game!
Proposal: In order to make sure that everybody in our joyful empire is happy, every proposal, point
of order or report should be accompanied by a declaration that that player is very happy, or the
player is fined 1 point. (thank you - the happpiness police)
THS Note: This is the second Proposal by mcv since he has been challenged, with no word on whether
he Accepts or not.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: -1
Total: 19
Reason: Too sycophantic. I get enough "Have a nice day"'s when I visit various unnamed American
fast-food outlets. Besides, how can my subjects be joyful when my beloved princess is still
missing!
Proposal 72
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 24 Oct 1994
Proposal: When points appear to be awarded simultaneously (more than one person in an occupied
room, many experienced players getting points) the points should be awarded in this order: First
and foremost, the original submitter of a rule, move, or point-of-order. Then, every other player
earns his points in reverse alphabetical order. Each player must have a score that satisfies all
rules (such as 31 or 44) before the next player is awarded points for the same action. In the event
that some players earn points due to intermediate affects of another player's score, that second
round of points is given after the first round is completed. (This won't happen often, but it is
possible and should be cleared up.)
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 46
Score: +1, +1 by Rule 44, +1 by Rule 31
Other Score Changes: -1 from Tivol, +1 to mcv per Rule 33
Total: 20
Reason:
Point-Of-Order 73
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 25 Oct 1994
Declaration: I really like to send in this point of order! I'm so happy now!
Point of order: As THS noted, I've submitted 2 proposals since I was challenged. According to rule
32, I _may_ (and therefore don't necessarily have to) accept or decline the challenge with my next
proposal. I forgot to accept the challenge in my first proposal after the challenge. What do I have
to do now? May I also accept or decline the challenge with later proposals? May I accept or decline
at any other time? Or at least with Points of Order? Is the challenge automatically accepted or
declined when I don't accept or decline on my first proposal?
Response: The way I read Rule 32, the only chance you have to accept the challenge is with your
next proposal, as you did not do so, I would consider that the challenge is automatically declined.
Maybe someone could submit further proposals to clarify this rule...
Proposal 74
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 25 Oct 1994
Proposal: All players have the right to vote for a player to be TGF after the last GF has been
dropped. A deadline of 3 days should be set for the voting. THS should have be sent the votes, and
TIE holds a veto if he does not approve of the player who has won.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: -1, +1 by Rule 44
Total: 17
Reason: I will choose my own Gracious Favourite. Correspondence will not be entered into.
Proposal 75
Proposer: willem
Proposed: 25 Oct 1994
Proposal: The player that holds the current highest score loses one point each turn a hostage is
held.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: +1, +2 by Rule 44
Total: 3
Reason: There is no concept of 'turns' in this game (yet!), so there is no point at which the rule
could be invoked, but I like the idea! Instead of introducing real time, try using something along
the lines of: every 4th proposal, or every accepted proposal etc.
Mistake Report 76
Reporter: mcv
Reported: 26 Oct 1994
Report: After proposal 75 (did any other Facist game last this long?) willem (yay! finally another
Dutch player!) has a total of 1 point. On the score list, however, he's listed as having 0 points.
[Rectified. --THS]
Response: ok. +2 mcv, -3 THS. I getting tired with this rule.
Proposal 77
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 26 Oct 1994
Challenge: Thrud
Proposal: If a challenged player doesn't accept or decline the challenge with his or her first
proposal since the challenge is published, the challenge is automatically accepted.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 47.
Score: +1, +1 per Rule 44.
Total: 23
Mistake Report 78
Reporter: mcv
Reported: 26 Oct 1994
Report: Rule 25 still says that Denis Howe is TGF, while, according to rule 45 (and the decision of
proposal 69) Denis is no longer TGF.
Response: Thanks for pointing this out, however this does not *really* affect the game, so I am
deeming this a trivial mistake report and awarding no points.
Proposal 79
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 26 Oct 1994
Proposal: When a player challenges another player to a DUEL, the player who has been challenged,
has to accept/decline the challenge with the next proposal that he submits, or else the challenge
will have been accepted! (either be publicly shamed for declining the challenge, or let it be
accepted)
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: -1
Total: 15
Reason: Same proposal has already been proposed and accepted (Proposal 77). This is the first
proposal by Thrud since mcv challenged in proposal 77. However, Proposal 77 was not published when
this proposal was submitted, so Thrud will need to either accept or decline in his next proposal,
else it will be an automatic accept. [The THS would point out that the Rules state that any Rule
affects all Proposals numbered greater than its own; however, I will bow to the glorious wisdom of
TIE. --THS]
Proposal 80
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 26 Oct 1994
Proposal: Because we have such a mathematically inclined crowd and to reflect our appreciation of
the language that gave us words like "Imperious" and "Emporer," [sic] the Boon of Roman Numerals
should take place this day. Each player's name will be searched for consequetive strings of letters
that make up such numerals. (My own name has two: "IV" and "L.") Of the numerals found, the one
with the most letters will be chosen. If there is a tie for length, the tie will be broken by
largest value. The number derived from each player's name will be added to his score, amounting in
a wonderful boon of points that will make every citizen of the empire happy.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: -1
Total: 17
Reason: Nice try, no dice. I don't like a rule that would be applied once and once only, that
doesn't mean I would accept the rule if the Boon was to be applied every day, or on every proposal
either. And don't pick on my spelling!! Have you found my princess yet??
Mistake Report 81
Reporter: Tivol
Reported: 26 Oct 1994
Report: Rule 44 has been neglected in one of two ways, depending on whether or not the number one
is considered prime: If it's not considered prime, then willem's score of 1 resulting from P75
should be increased to 2 and then to 3 by Rule 44. If it is considered prime, then the moment
willem declared playerdom, his score was zero, which is one less than a prime. His score should
have been increased to 3 before the point from P75's rejection was added. (Personally, I think that
one is a special case and should not be judged for its primeness as it is the multiplicative
identity. But what's my will compared to TIE's?) Also, after Proposal 72, my score of 18 should
have been increased to 19 (R44) and then 21 (R31). After Proposal 74, Thrud's score should have
been increased to 17 (R44).
[THS Note: I had no idea what to do on willem's score; I was going to think about it, but then I
forgot about it. I might note, however, that with the passage of Rule 44, anyone who *attains* a
one-less-than-prime score will gain a point. Youse guys already had them. --THS]
Response: Ok, lets start by saying that when proposal 64 (rule 44) was accepted, I said '1 extra
point will be awarded every time a player reaches scores ...0,1,2,4,6,10,12,16,18,22...' It
does/did not apply to players already on that score (ie any new players on score 0). willem then
gained 1 point to move to 1. He should then move to 2 then 3 by rule 44, so should now be on 3
points. After proposal 72, Tivol's score is on 18, it should be moved to 19 (rule 44), then 21
(rule 31). And finally, Thrud, should then have moved to 17 (rule 44), with proposal 74. +2 points
for Tivol, -3 points for THS [-1 per Rule 31].
Proclamation 82
THE IMPERIOUS EMPEROR PROCLAIMETH:
Rule 39 has been revoked, it does not add value to the game. Players are welcome to continue to
submit any errors/mistakes that they perceive, but no points will be awarded/subtracted.
Proposal 83
Proposer: willem
Proposed: 27 Oct 1994
salutation: May you live in interesting times.
Proposal: Every proposal should contain at least one sentence in a language other than English.
Reason: Zo kunnen de indieners van het voorstel goed hun eruditie laten zien. [Whatever that means.
I know German, but this is ridiculous. --THS]
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: -1 to willem, +1 to Tivol per Rule 33, +1 to willem per Rule 44
Total: 3
Reason: Adds no value (plus my Dutch speaking buddy is away at the moment, so I've got no idea what
you're saying!)
Point-Of-Order 84
Proposer: willem
Proposed: 27 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: 1 should not be regarded as a prime number, especially since there is no more
unique factorization of natural numbers if you accept one as a prime.
Response: I've already ruled on this. I suggest making a proposal to clarify the rule in question.
See Mistake Report 81 for details of ruling.
Point-Of-Order 85
Proposer: willem
Proposed: 27 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: The fact that 'turn' is not defined yet, is not new. Remember the 'experienced
players'?
Response: I was able to ignore 'experienced players' as it had no real effect on the rule (until
the term was further defined). The concept of 'turns' was critical to your proposal.
Proposal 86
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 27 Oct 1994
Proposal: Any player who arrives at a point total above 25 points, gets a 5 point penalty. Any
player to arrive at a point total under 1 point, get a 5 point bonus.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 48, with a modification. The penalty/bonus will be 10 points and the
bonus will not be invoked until a players score falls below -5.
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: +3 to mcv per Rule 32, -10 per Rule 48, +1 per Rule 44
Total: 19
Reason:
Proposal 87
Proposer: Thrud
Proposed: 28 Oct 1994
Proposal: Players may not challenge other players that are 6 points under their own score (as to
beat them should be too easy).
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 49
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: -1 to Thrud, +1 to Silvorien per Rule 33, +1 to Silvorien per Rule 44, +1 to
Thrud per Rule 44
Total: 17
Mistake Report 88
Reporter: mcv
Reported: 31 Oct 1994
Report: Proposal 22 has been accepted as rule 33. Proposal 21 has also been accepted as rule 33
however, and in the Current Ruleset, rule 34 looks quite a lot like proposal 22. [Huh. Whaddya
know, I put the wrong number in. How did you ever catch this, so far back in the game? Anyway, it's
fixed. --THS]
Response: Rule 39 has been abolished.
Point-Of-Order 89
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 31 Oct 1994
Point-Of-Order: Anything happening with the game? It's more than half a week ago that I submitted
my last proposal. How should TGF (if we had one) know when he is allowed to submit a new proposal
again? How can he ever make sure to submit 2 proposals a week? [It is fortunate that we don't have
a TGF at the moment. I went on vacation for a couple days, and then was swamped with work, so I'm
just catching up on back mail... However, I might note that you, willem, and Thrud were the only
proposers in my mailbox... --THS]
Response: Ain't it good to be back on the air again! And my spies tell me that Longbeard has been
defeated and my princess is on her way back. Things are looking rosy in the empire again!
Proposal 90
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 1 Nov 1994
Salutation: Dolci et decorum est pro TIE mori! [That's interesting, I didn't know "TIE" was a Latin
word! --THS]
Proposal: If a player asks for a description of his current location more than once without moving
inbetween inqueries, no extra points will be deducted from his score. (This is to keep players who
may find themselves with four or five extra points from deluging THS with requests.)
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 49.
Score: +1
Total: 23
Point-Of-Order 91
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 7 Nov 1994
Point of Order: Perhaps we need a rule that determines the order in which different rules are
applied? For example, what happens if a player ends up one point below a prime number above 25?
Does he first get an extra point, or does he firast loose 10 points? And is that extra point still
applied later on?
Response: Perhaps we do. As for your example, the most likely scenario is that a player finds
himself on 28 points. If r44 is used first, he then goes to 29 points. Then r48 takes his score to
19. If r48 was applied first, then the score would go to 18, which is one point below a prime
number so r44 is applied to take score to 19. Because of r48, it is unlikely that anyone's score
will get higher than 28 anyway, so it is not a particularly pressing issue. If it does come up, and
there is no rule regarding what gets applied first, then I'll make a considered decision.first,
then I'll make a considered decision.
Proposal 92
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 7 Nov 1994
Proposal: If several rules that would result in a point change should be invoked at the same time,
then the rule with the lowest number is applied first. If the point changing rules that would have
been invoked at the old point total, would not be invoked at the new total, then those rules are
not invoked. (This is a difficult way to say that if a player arrives for example above 25 points,
and then loses a few points because of a rule other than rule 48 and ends up below 25 again, that
player does not also lose 10 points because of rule 48.)
Move: None (Unsuccessful)
Decision: Accepted as Rule 50
Score: +1/2, +1/2 per Rule 28
Total: 20
Point-Of-Order 93
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 7 Nov 1994
Point of Order: Speaking of rule 48, is TIE (who am I to question his wisdom?) really sure that
players should loose 10 points, and not 5? Now it's possible for players who arrive at 30 points to
loose 10 points and arrive at 20 points because of this rule.
Response: Getting to 30 is the difficult bit.. And losing 10 points in most cases will leave the
player in a position where they have to earn points to get to 20 again.
Move 94
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 7 Nov 1994
Successful?: Y, Y, Y, Y
Point-Of-Order 95
Proposer: Denis
Proposed: 10 Nov 1994
Point-Of-Order: Rule 25 still says I'm The Gracious Favorite.
Response: It should not. THS to rectify? [OK. --THS]
Proposal 96
Proposer: Denis
Proposed: 10 Nov 1994
Challenge: Tivol
Proposal: A shop owner may, at any time, inform THS about items sold there. Each item shall have a
name, price and description, and may also have a secret property. A player may indicate to THS that
he wishes to visit the shop at his current location. THS will give visitors to a shop full details
of all items on sale there, but not their secret properties.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted as Rule 50.
Score: +1, +1 per Rule 44
Total: 13
Proposal 97
Proposer: willem
Proposed: 11 Nov 1994
Salutation : Hail destroyer of kings, beast that is called dragon, spawn of darkness etc.,etc.
Proposal : The difference between the number of rejected proposals, and the number of accepted
proposals may not be more than 21 at any time during the game.
Move: Successful
Decision: Rejected.
Score: +1, +1 per Rule 44
Total: 5
Reason: Each proposal should be judged on its merits. I don't want to be forced into accepting a
proposal just to keep within the limits of this proposed rule.
Point-Of-Order 98
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 11 Nov 1994
Point-Of-Order: Were those reports from your spies correct about Longbeard's defeat? mcv has his 20
points and it seems like there are no hoatages held, yet there was no announcement of a victory. (I
can't do anything myself until other folks submit, so if everyone thinks the game is dead and it's
not, I'll have nothing to do but move around.) [Well, my thoughts on the matter were that TPP was
still hostage until she was returned to the Emperor... --THS]
Response: Having a look at rule 7 we see: '...no hostages currently held by the evil Longbeard...'.
My spies indicate that mcv has defeated the evil Longbeard and has recaptured the princess,
therefore Longbeard has no hostages. Regardless of what the intention of the rule was, it was
worded this way, so, as mcv has 20 points, he is now declared the Winner!!!
Please move to the Department Store to collect your 4 million dollar gift certificate, then you may
proceed to Swan Lake for your 2 week vacation. Please drop the Pouting Princess off at the Imperial
Palace on your way!
Proposal 99
Proposer: Duncan
Proposed: 14 Nov 1994
Proposal: Rule 1 be amended to read that the decision of the Conclave of Lords (headed by The
Imperial Emperor) is final. The Conclave of Lords shall consist of The Imperial Emperor and other
players as the Emperor sees fit to appoint. In deciding proposals, the Imperial Emperor shall have
four votes on the Conclave, to one vote for each appointed player (called a Lord). The Gracious
Favourite and The Humble Scribe shall automatically become Lords, but shall have the added benefit
of two votes each. In the case of a tie, the side including TIE shall win.
Move: Successful
Decision: Accepted; Members of COL: THS
Score: +1
Other Score Changes: -1 to Duncan, +1 to Olivier, per Rule 32
Total: 0
Reason:
Point-Of-Order 100
Proposer: willem
Proposed: 14 Nov 1994
Point-Of-Order: Shouldn't I have 3 points, according to rule 44 ? [Yup. Fixed. --THS]
Response: None
Point-Of-Order 101
Proposer: mcv
Proposed: 14 Nov 1994
Point of Order: Is there any rule that prevents me from having won? I believe I've got 20 points at
the moment (although the score list still says I've got 19 points; it did that already before I got
my last point). [I had assumed that TPP had to be returned, first... --THS]
Response: See response to point of order 98.
Proposal 102
Proposer: Tivol
Proposed: 14 Nov 1994
Challenge: Accepted
Proposal: I propose the Imperial Bureau of Investigation disclose the following facts about
Longbeard: Those whom he defeats in battle become his hostage and are moved from room to room along
with him. (Rule 33 still applies.) The only way the hostage can be released is when another player
defeats Longbeard, thereby releasing the hostage, or when Longbeard defeats another player, as he
can only carry one hostage at once and likes to keep his hostages fresh. A player held hostage can
still submit proposals and points-of-order; he is only limited in that he cannot move by his own
free will.
Move: None (Unsuccessful)
Decision: Accepted as Rule 51.
Score: +1/2, +1/2
Total: 24
2. Anyone may propose a new rule or a change to an existing rule at any time.
3. All proposals must be sent via the World-Wide Web or Email to The Humble Scribe who will publish
them and send them to The Imperious Emperor.
4. The Imperious Emperor will judge each proposal submitted and either accept or reject it.
5. A player whose proposal is rejected will lose one point if his score was more than ten and gain
one point otherwise.
6. A player whose proposal is accepted will gain one point if his score was more than ten and three
points otherwise.
7. If a Player has exactly 20 Points and there are no hostages currently held by the evil
Longbeard, then that Player wins.
8. Points are taken to have been awarded at the time the proposal or report was submitted.
9. The Imperious Emperor may, at any time, modify or remove any existing rule or enact new rules.
10. Each submission will be numbered and a new rule will apply to all submissions numbered greater
than or equal to its own proposal unless it specifies otherwise.
11. A rule may discriminate between players in any way.
12. The Humble Scribe will publish via the World-Wide Web the current set of rules, the current
state of all proposals and decisions and the current scores of all players.
13. The Humble Scribe may rewrite a proposal to clarify its meaning, so long as this does not change
its meaning.
14. The Imperious Emperor is Damian Coffey.
15. The Humble Scribe is Don Blaheta.
16. Each player must chose one name under which to play. Submissions which, in the opinion of The
Humble Scribe, originate from the same player, will be treated as such.
17. Any player may, at any time, with no effect on his score, submit a Point of Order to raise any
issue relevant to the game.
18. If a player has submitted a proposal which has not been accepted or rejected and that player
submits a new proposal, the new proposal will replace the old proposal. No points shall be
awarded for the old proposal, either to the proposer or any seconders.
19. A player whose proposal has been published may not submit another proposal until proposals from
at least two other players have been published.
20. When several rules apply at the same time and have different consequences then the rule with the
highest number is applied first. Other rules may then be applied so long as they do not conflict
directly with a rule that has already been applied.
21. The proposer of a rule that invalidates other rules gains one half a point for each invalidated
rule.
22. The original proposer of an invalidated rule loses half the points originally awarded for
proposing the rule.
23. A Player shall be anyone who has made a Proposal in the last month; if someone has made a
proposal more than a month ago and none since, that person shall be called a Latent Player.
Latent Players can't gain points for any reason, although they can of course submit a proposal
in order to become an active player again.
24. Abolished.
25. A player can be The Gracious Favorite on the decision of TIE. TGF gains one more point each time
one of his proposal is accepted, but loses half of his points when TIE rejects one of his
proposal. TIE decides according to his own Royal Judgement to who he gives his Favour. If TGF
has two proposals rejected in a row, he is no longer TGF.
26. All new players shall start in the Grand Central Square.
27. If a Player submits a proposal where, after all the possible bonus points are added up, the
Player stands to have a higher total score after the proposal is rejected than if it is
accepted, then the Player will receive none of the points normally awarded upon decision. The
proposal still gets decided, however.
28. The number of points awarded for any action must be an integer. If the number of points to be
awarded is not an integer, the number of points actually awarded will be the nearest even (i.e.
evenly divisible by 2) integer.
29. A player must attempt to change location with each proposal. If unsuccessful, he receives only
half the points he would normally gain for that proposal. Any point losses, on the other hand,
are doubled. Reversing one's previous move is not allowed.
30. THS will tell a player which other players are at his current location and what it looks like.
31. No two players may have the same number of points if their scores are greater than or equal to
ten. If a player gains points and his new score would equal another player's score, one
additional point is added. If a player lost points to bring him to a tying score, then one
additional point is subtracted. A player may not reach 20 points via this rule, if application
of this rule would bring a player's score to 20 points then an additional point is added (if
player was gaining points) or subtracted (if a player was losing points). This rule may be
applied several times in any one proposal in order to satisfy the requirement that no players
have equal scores.
32. Players may issue a Challenge to another Player with each proposal. A player may accept this
challenge with his next proposal, i.e. Challenge , and Accept/Decline . When these two players
eventually meet at a location, a DUEL ensues. The winner of the duel, will receive 3 points, and
the loser will be deducted 3 points. The result of this duel is decided, by the difference of
the two players scores each of which is added to a random variable i.e. 2D6 (two six-sided
dice). The highest score wins, the random variable is rolled by the Humble scribe. The winner of
this duel may not challenge the same player till he has dueled with another player. However, the
loser, may challenge the winner again, and again etc.
33. A player must attempt to move to an existing location. If a player enters a location which is
already occupied, he must transfer one point to each player who was already in that location.
34. All Experienced Players with a name with less than four characters gain 3 bonus points every
time a proposal is rejected, to compensate these unfortunate subjects of the Greatest Ruler ever
for the misfortune that they have such a short name, and thus resulting in a higher level of
average happiness in your Illustrous Empire!
35. The Player who first moved to a Location must also send a description of that location to THS.
36. No player may move location unless at least 2 other players have moved location since his/her
last move.
37. There are 24 locations within the empire.
There are now 4 connections to/from each location.
There are only 2 connections to/from the Imperial Palace.
There are 6 connections to/from the Grand Central Square.
A player may move to a location by naming it or by specifying a direction to move (North, South,
East or West). If there is no connection to a place that is named, then the move fails. A
directional move will always work, as every location has a connection in each of the 4
directions. The one exception is the Imperial Palace from which you can only move Up or Down.
The 2 extra directions at the Grand Central Square are also Up and down.
A map of all existing locations and connections is rumoured to exist, but will not be revealed
to players.
Connections cannot be removed.
The names of all locations will be published, but not which locations are connected or who is
where. THS will inform players whether an attempted move has succeeded or not.
38. All proposals must fulfill the requirements it would place on other proposals, or a penalty/boon
of five points will immediately be levied upon the player.
39. Abolished.
40. I propose that players may apply for planning permission from TIE for the opening of a shop. In
this application (which the TIE and THS only see) a player must describe where the shop is to be
set up (1 per location) what it sells and the price. The cost of setting up a shop is 5 points.
The shops will not be listed or what they sell. Only when you reach a location may you see what
shop is there. The player gets half of the profits, the rest go to TIE. The cost of applying for
planning permission is 0 points.
41. An experienced player is defined as a player who has a vowel in his/her name. Experienced
players should be able to construct a name properly.
42. Every player must submit a proposal at least once a week, or lose 2 points each week, until they
become a Latent Player.
43. At a cost of 1 point a player can ask THS to supply the name of his current location.
44. As soon as a player reaches a total number of points that's exactly one less than a prime
number, that player gets 1 extra point, just because prime number are actually pretty nice
numbers.
45. TGF has to propose a proposal at least twice every week, or forfeit the right to be TGF. TIE
will then decide who the new TGF will be.
46. When points appear to be awarded simultaneously (more than one person in an occupied room, many
experienced players getting points) the points should be awarded in this order: First and
foremost, the original submitter of a rule, move, or point-of-order. Then, every other player
earns his points in reverse alphabetical order. Each player must have a score that satisfies all
rules (such as 31 or 44) before the next player is awarded points for the same action. In the
event that some players earn points due to intermediate affects of another player's score, that
second round of points is given after the first round is completed. (This won't happen often,
but it is possible and should be cleared up.)
47. If a challenged player doesn't accept or decline the challenge with his or her first proposal
since the challenge is published, the challenge is automatically accepted.
48. Any player who arrives at a point total above 25 points, gets a 10 point penalty. Any player to
arrive at a point total under -5 points, get a 10 point bonus.
49. If a player asks for a description of his current location more than once without moving
inbetween inqueries, no extra points will be deducted from his score. (This is to keep players
who may find themselves with four or five extra points from deluging THS with requests.)
50. A shop owner may, at any time, inform THS about items sold there. Each item shall have a name,
price and description, and may also have a secret property. A player may indicate to THS that he
wishes to visit the shop at his current location. THS will give visitors to a shop full details
of all items on sale there, but not their secret properties.
51. The Imperial Bureau of Investigation must disclose the following facts about Longbeard: Those
whom he defeats in battle become his hostage and are moved from room to room along with him.
(Rule 33 still applies.) The only way the hostage can be released is when another player defeats
Longbeard, thereby releasing the hostage, or when Longbeard defeats another player, as he can
only carry one hostage at once and likes to keep his hostages fresh. A player held hostage can
still submit proposals and points-of-order; he is only limited in that he cannot move by his own
free will.
The Final Ruleset
1. The decision of the Conclave of Lords (headed by The Imperial Emperor) is final. The Conclave of
Lords shall consist of The Imperial Emperor and other players as the Emperor sees fit to
appoint. In deciding proposals, the Imperial Emperor shall have four votes on the Conclave, to
one vote for each appointed player (called a Lord). The Gracious Favourite and The Humble Scribe
shall automatically become Lords, but shall have the added benefit of two votes each. In the
case of a tie, the side including TIE shall win. Map
+---------------+
+-D---------+ |
| | | |
+-C-G---------K-+ |
| | | | | |
+---B-F-J-----+ | | |
| | | | | | | |
+-----A-\ | | | | | | |
| | \| | | | | | |
| | +-E-+ | | | | |
| | |/| | | | | |
| +-H-/ +---I-\ | | | |
| | | | | O | | | |
| | +-L-----+ \-P---M-Q-+ |
| | | | | | | |
| +-N---+ | +-T-+ | |
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | +---X-+
| | | | | |
| | | +-------S-W-----+
| | | | | |
| | +-------R-------V-+
| | | |
+-U---------+ |
| |
+-----------------+
The map is pretty self-explanatory--the only differences from north-up, south-down, east-right,
west-left are from E and O. The branching "northeast" of E is really up, and it goes to A. Likewise
"northeast" of O is up to I. "Southwest" of E is down to H, and "Southeast" of O is down to P.
Current scores