30 into 13 best min fragment found: 11/2 Cut up 30 sticks of length 13 like this: 2 x (13/2 + 13/2) 4 x (6 + 7) 24 x (11/2 + 15/2) Reassemble as 13 sticks of length 30 like this: 5 x (15/2 + 15/2 + 15/2 + 15/2) 4 x (11/2 + 11/2 + 11/2 + 13/2 + 7) 4 x (11/2 + 11/2 + 11/2 + 6 + 15/2)