20 into 13 best min fragment found: 5 Cut up 20 sticks of length 13 like this: 4 x (32/5 + 33/5) 4 x (28/5 + 37/5) 4 x (27/5 + 38/5) 8 x (5 + 8) Reassemble as 13 sticks of length 20 like this: 4 x (28/5 + 32/5 + 8) 4 x (27/5 + 33/5 + 8) 4 x (5 + 37/5 + 38/5) 1 x (5 + 5 + 5 + 5)