[Uram-rejections] Electric waves

Fri Oct 19 12:00:15 BST 2018

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> From: Brian Reay <no.sp at m.com>
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> Subject: Re: Electric waves
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:29:42 +0100
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> On 19/10/2018 10:58, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> > On 18/10/2018 23:07, David Woolley wrote:
> >> On 18/10/18 21:16, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> >>> The scales of wavelengths of radio waves are not the scales of 
> >>> quantum effects, surely?
> >>
> >> Hydrogen masers, which are one of the best types of atomic clock, are 
> >> very much quantum physics devices, but operate at 1420.4057517667 MHz 
> >> (21.1061141 cm).  Actually all atomic clocks are quantum physics 
> >> devices operating at microwave frequencies.  (All figures truncated 
> >> within their measurement accuracy.)
> >>
> >> (The thing that determines the frequency is the slight difference in 
> >> energy between electrons whose spin is aligned with that of the 
> >> nucleus and ones that are reverse aligned.  Spin itself, and the fact 
> >> that it can only have two states are quantum effects, although the 
> >> energy difference, can, I believe be treated as [though] the spin 
> >> created magnetic fields.)
> > 
> > OK, but we're still at atomic sizes. What about radio waves at Top
> > Band, 1.81MHz?
> > 
> > It seems to me that whereas photons are an attribute of electromagnetic
> > waves resulting from sub atomic activity, that this does not preclude
> > E-M waves being produced by other mechanisms.
> > 
> > For example, radiation from antenna is explained as the collapse of
> > the electric field on each half cycle of RF excitation, and that
> > collapse forming a circular electric field (Del cross E) in the
> > medium OUTSIDE the atoms of the conductor, and therefore not
> > being produced by sub atomic activity.
> > 
> 
> 
> An electron is a small, compared to a top band radio wave, particle 
> (assuming we us the particle module which fits with the orbit model you 
> started with).
> 
> 
> Using YOUR logic, it is too small to be responsible for the field etc 
> which produces the top band radio wave.
> 
> 
> I suggest you produce a paper etc challenging the work of Maxwell etc 
> and submit it for review to, perhaps, the IEEE.
> 
> You may want to look at the Maxwell-Faraday Law first.
> 
> 
> 
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> Company led to the Great Depression.
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