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--></style></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p>Well, there were blatant lies there. The claim that they work under a legal framework approved by parliament is a lie for a start.</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p>After Clapper lying directly to congress I suppose we should expect nothing else.<o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=EN><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/gchq_tracked_web_browsing_habits_karma_police/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/gchq_tracked_web_browsing_habits_karma_police/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p>“<span lang=EN>The operation was launched in 2009, without Parliamentary consultation or public scrutiny, to record the browsing habits of "every visible user on the Internet" without the agency obtaining legal permission to do so, according to documents published by <i>The Intercept</i>.</span>”<span lang=EN><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p>Cheers, Ben</p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p style='border:none;padding:0cm'><br><b>From: </b>Peter Fairbrother<br><b>Sent: </b>18 September 2015 00:54<br><b>To: </b>UK Cryptography Policy Discussion Group<br><b>Subject: </b>Radio4: MI5 Director General Andrew Parker on terrorism</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p032qcgm</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kinda historic for a serving DG of the SS to be interviewed. Very </p><p class=MsoNormal>soft-spoken chap, but no real meat -</p><p class=MsoNormal>“</p><p class=MsoNormal>"we work under a legal framework with independent supervision",</p><p class=MsoNormal>"I have no opinion on judicial authorisations for interceptions", (!!!)</p><p class=MsoNormal>"?international? framework for CSPs to report suspicious stuff",</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>glossed over "going dark" and "terrorists can communicate without our </p><p class=MsoNormal>being able to get content even with a legal warrant" - no suggested </p><p class=MsoNormal>solutions .</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>At one bit he got a little - I'm not sure what. @17.00:</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Q "Do you recognise criticism that your approaches can be a cause of </p><p class=MsoNormal>alienation and indeed perhaps radicalisation?"</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A "No, I completely dismiss that. {...} it's the sort of thing that our </p><p class=MsoNormal>detractors, and indeed some people which we ought to take an interest </p><p class=MsoNormal>in, would want to say, but I'm afraid it's totally untrue."</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bit of the iron fist maybe: if you are a detractor maybe MI5 ought to </p><p class=MsoNormal>take an interest in you ?? If you diss us, we will ... what?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- Peter Fairbrother</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>