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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/19/13 12:04, Ben Laurie wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">On 13 August 2013 07:58, Caspar Bowden (lists) <span
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hadn't noticed any
                commentary on this... ?<br>
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                  (Feb 28 2013) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/135998/pki-strategy-1.0.pdf"
                    target="_blank">PKI Strategy</a> and <a
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href="https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/135992/PKI-Implementation-Strategy-1-0.pdf"
                    target="_blank">Implementation Strategy</a> (occurs
                  in both)<br>
                  <ul>
                    <li>"For example key escrow <b>may be required</b>
                      for private encryption keys in some services (<b>to
                        comply with</b> Regulation of Investigatory
                      Powers Act Section 3)"</li>
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                  <p>but <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://www.fipr.org/rip/PR3RHC.htm"
                      target="_blank">FIPR 9/5/2000</a><br>
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                    <li><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmhansrd/vo000508/debtext/00508-17.htm#00508-17_spnew2"
                        target="_blank">Surprisingly Mr.Clarke amended
                        S.69</a> [Hansard link - at bottom] to exempt
                      company directors from liability under Part.III -
                      that is, they are no longer personally liable for
                      failure of their company to comply with a
                      decryption notice. This was the chief cause of
                      FIPR's diagnosis of government strategy as being
                      that of "key escrow by intimidation" - however it
                      still leaves individuals and company employees in
                      the firing line.</li>
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            <div>PSN is a company with directors?</div>
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    No, but the bit Clarke chopped in response to (largely commercial)
    campaigning was the only part containing any express "key escrow by
    intimidation" aimed at board-level of organizations<br>
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    So the question I am raising is whether there is some other "public
    policy" rationale for arguing that escrow is compelled by the
    hypothetical necessity to respond to some particular decrypt request
    in future (contrast to arguments about "relevance" in PATRIOT 215
    metadata). <br>
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    AFAIK this falls under Council of Europe R.87 (1987) which forbids
    ECHR states from compelling retention of arbitrary data as a matter
    of public policy in organs of the state, unless there is a precise
    authorizing law. RIPA Part.3 is not that law (but e.g. the EU DRD is
    such a law - in that it exists!), and of course compelling escrow in
    public sector has huge structural effects on normative practices
    (that what R.87 fuss was all about) <br>
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    CB<br>
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