<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Francis Davey wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2013/5/28 Roland Perry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@internetpolicyagency.com" target="_blank">lists@internetpolicyagency.com</a>></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="im"> <br></div> Because we are corresponding by email, not the web.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style="">Bah. I think in 2013 I can expect the notorious Roland Perry to be able to look something up on the web. It is not as if the world wide web is rather new to you. I see that on ukcrypto I will have to quote the relevant statute rather than merely citing it.</div> <div style=""><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> Fair enough, but that wasn't clear from the earlier posting.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="">That's why I make a practice of citing sources, so that people who want to know more can read more.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> ps Why is this statute rarely used when husbands threaten to kill their ex-partners, with the police relying instead upon harassment law.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style="">I don't know. Ask the CPS.</div><div style=""> <br></div><div style="">I suspect because it is much harder to prove. The prosecution will have to prove a specific intent that the victim fear that the threat will be carried out (i.e. that someone will be killed). A defendant might argue that he only meant the victim to fear they would be beaten to a pulp. </div> <div style=""><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yup, the case in point requires proof of intent whereas harassment is a matter of fact (i.e. a strict liability offence), towhit:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/40/section/1">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/40/section/1</a></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><h3 class="LegClearFix LegP1ContainerFirst" style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0em; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.2em; font-size: 0.8em; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: initial; font-style: normal; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; clear: both; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; "><span class="LegDS LegP1GroupTitleFirst" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 688px; ">Prohibition of harassment.</span></h3><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Garuda, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 18px; "><a class="LegAnchorID" id="section-1-1" style="line-height: 1.4em; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 102, 153); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; font-size: 15px; "></a></span><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: white; line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 0.8em; margin-top: 0em; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; clear: both; "><span class="LegDS LegLHS LegP2No" id="section-1-1" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: left; text-align: right; width: 59px; ">(1)</span><span class="LegDS LegRHS LegP2Text" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 673px; ">A person must not pursue a course of conduct—</span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Garuda, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 18px; "><a class="LegAnchorID" id="section-1-1-a" style="line-height: 1.4em; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 102, 153); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; font-size: 15px; "></a></span><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: white; line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 0.8em; margin-top: 0em; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; clear: both; width: 748px; "><span class="LegDS LegLHS LegP3No" id="section-1-1-a" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: left; text-align: right; width: 112px; ">(a)</span><span class="LegDS LegRHS LegP3Text" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 620px; ">which amounts to harassment of another, and</span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Garuda, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 18px; "><a class="LegAnchorID" id="section-1-1-b" style="line-height: 1.4em; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 102, 153); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; font-size: 15px; "></a></span><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: white; line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 0.8em; margin-top: 0em; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; clear: both; width: 748px; "><span class="LegDS LegLHS LegP3No" id="section-1-1-b" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: left; text-align: right; width: 112px; ">(b)</span><span class="LegDS LegRHS LegP3Text" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 620px; ">which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.</span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Garuda, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 18px; "><a class="LegAnchorID" id="section-1-2" style="line-height: 1.4em; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 102, 153); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; font-size: 15px; "></a></span><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: white; line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 0.8em; margin-top: 0em; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; clear: both; "><span class="LegDS LegLHS LegP2No" id="section-1-2" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: left; text-align: right; width: 59px; ">(2)</span><span class="LegDS LegRHS LegP2Text" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 673px; ">For the purposes of this section, the person whose course of conduct is in question ought to know that it amounts to harassment of another if a reasonable person in possession of the same information would think the course of conduct amounted to harassment of the other.</span></div></blockquote></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style=""><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(75, 76, 78); font-family: Arial, Garuda, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 18px; "><h3 class="LegClearFix LegP1ContainerFirst" style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 0em; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.2em; font-size: 0.8em; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: initial; font-style: normal; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; clear: both; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span class="LegDS LegP1No" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: left; clear: both; min-width: 6%; ">2</span><span class="LegDS LegP1GroupTitleFirst" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 688px; ">Offence of harassment.</span></h3><a class="LegAnchorID" id="section-2-1" style="line-height: 1.4em; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 102, 153); font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; font-size: 15px; "></a><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; background-color: white; line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 0.8em; margin-top: 0em; padding-top: 0em; padding-right: 0em; padding-bottom: 0em; padding-left: 0em; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; clear: both; "><span class="LegDS LegLHS LegP2No" id="section-2-1" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: left; text-align: right; width: 59px; ">(1)</span><span class="LegDS LegRHS LegP2Text" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif; letter-spacing: 0em; display: block; float: right; text-align: justify; width: 673px; ">A person who pursues a course of conduct in breach of section 1 is guilty of an offence.</span></div></span><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>No mention of intent.</div><div><br></div></body></html>