From zenadsl6186 at zen.co.uk Thu Sep 17 21:23:23 2015 From: zenadsl6186 at zen.co.uk (Peter Fairbrother) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:23:23 +0100 Subject: Radio4: MI5 Director General Andrew Parker on terrorism Message-ID: <55FB213B.8020006@zen.co.uk> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p032qcgm Kinda historic for a serving DG of the SS to be interviewed. Very soft-spoken chap, but no real meat - "we work under a legal framework with independent supervision", "I have no opinion on judicial authorisations for interceptions", (!!!) "?international? framework for CSPs to report suspicious stuff", glossed over "going dark" and "terrorists can communicate without our being able to get content even with a legal warrant" - no suggested solutions . At one bit he got a little - I'm not sure what. @17.00: Q "Do you recognise criticism that your approaches can be a cause of alienation and indeed perhaps radicalisation?" A "No, I completely dismiss that. {...} it's the sort of thing that our detractors, and indeed some people which we ought to take an interest in, would want to say, but I'm afraid it's totally untrue." Bit of the iron fist maybe: if you are a detractor maybe MI5 ought to take an interest in you ?? If you diss us, we will ... what? -- Peter Fairbrother From ben at liddicott.com Fri Sep 25 13:07:53 2015 From: ben at liddicott.com (ben at liddicott.com) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 13:07:53 +0100 Subject: Radio4: MI5 Director General Andrew Parker on terrorism In-Reply-To: <55FB213B.8020006@zen.co.uk> References: <55FB213B.8020006@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <56053919.eccdb40a.1806b.ffffee56@mx.google.com> Well, there were blatant lies there. The claim that they work under a legal framework approved by parliament is a lie for a start. After Clapper lying directly to congress I suppose we should expect nothing else. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/gchq_tracked_web_browsing_habits_karma_police/ ?The operation was launched in 2009, without Parliamentary consultation or public scrutiny, to record the browsing habits of "every visible user on the Internet" without the agency obtaining legal permission to do so, according to documents published by The Intercept.? Cheers, Ben From: Peter Fairbrother Sent: 18 September 2015 00:54 To: UK Cryptography Policy Discussion Group Subject: Radio4: MI5 Director General Andrew Parker on terrorism http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p032qcgm Kinda historic for a serving DG of the SS to be interviewed. Very soft-spoken chap, but no real meat - ? "we work under a legal framework with independent supervision", "I have no opinion on judicial authorisations for interceptions", (!!!) "?international? framework for CSPs to report suspicious stuff", glossed over "going dark" and "terrorists can communicate without our being able to get content even with a legal warrant" - no suggested solutions . At one bit he got a little - I'm not sure what. @17.00: Q "Do you recognise criticism that your approaches can be a cause of alienation and indeed perhaps radicalisation?" A "No, I completely dismiss that. {...} it's the sort of thing that our detractors, and indeed some people which we ought to take an interest in, would want to say, but I'm afraid it's totally untrue." Bit of the iron fist maybe: if you are a detractor maybe MI5 ought to take an interest in you ?? If you diss us, we will ... what? -- Peter Fairbrother -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: