Man loses C&P Phantom Withdrawl case

Theo Markettos theom+news at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Sat Jun 20 15:32:02 BST 2009


In article <4A3C49FC.1090505 at zen.co.uk> you wrote:
> The judge seemed to assume that there was no "history of successful 
> fraudulent attacks" - from other comment, especially Steven Murdoch's 
> testimony, it seems that there is an absence of evidence, rather than an 
> evidence of absence,
> 
> A pity no-one seems to have thought to ask the bank how often they had 
> previously refunded customers in similar circumstances ...
> 
>    ... anecdotally, most people have a story about card fraud happening 
> either to themselves or to someone close to them.

In one amusing moment of the case, the judge mentioned that he himself had
been a victim of card fraud "in Essex.  I've never been to Essex!".  There
was some discussion about volumes of industry-wide fraud, but no numbers
presented on specific types of fraud (eg magstripe, cardholder-not-present,
phantom ATMs, etc etc) or what proportion was refunded.  I don't know
whether the bank was asked - there was a several hundred page evidence
bundle that I didn't see.

Theo



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