Who will accept ID cards?

[Ian Batten]

we have people with passes for our building who would not be eligable  
for a UK Id card (Japanese and USA citizens on short-term or visa  
waiver). I doubt we are alone in this.

ian

(mobile, sorry for typos)

On 30 Jul 2009, at 18:49, Adrian Midgley <amidgley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roland Perry wrote:
>
>>> a.  It shall be an offence to request any other or additional form  
>>> of
>>> identification if a national ID card is presented.
>>
>> That sounds quite interesting, but it's a very wide landscape.
>>
>> At one end, there might be some cases where a passport is needed
>> (especially for resident aliens), and do you really want to obsolete
>> Police warrant cards?
>
> I do not see why a passport would be needed after it had been used, at
> entry, to get an identity card.
>
> I think probably, yes.
> Endorse the ID card, electronically or physically, with the added  
> status .
>
>
>> At the other end, there are specialist ID cards eg required for
>> buying/using a railway season ticket,
>
> I think that the season ticket is a ticket.
> If it refers to identity, then it refers to an identity card.
>
>> a card that allows admittance to
>> where you work (including NHS staff),
> I think that is a key, if it is automagic, and in which case giving  
> the
> lock a list of ID cards to let in would be as sensible as having a
> separate swipe card.
>
> If it is not automagic, then we know rather well that the identity is
> not checked meaningfully beyond the actual holding in the had of a  
> card
> with the NHS Logo on it.
>
>> or is shown by the man reading the
>> gas meter (which generally requires that you can tell they work for  
>> the
>> gas company rather than what their names is).
> Indeed, what their name is is essentially irrelevant, so in what sense
> is what they need to show an identity card?  A token asserting that
> citizen 9876543210 is a gas meter reading is a useful thing, to the
> extent that we believe it is reliable, and to the extent that we have
> something which we recognise which tells us that the person here is
> citizen 9876543210
>
>>> b.  It shall be an offence to fail to provide a service or good
>>> requiring identification for the reason that the uidentifiation  
>>> offered
>>> is a national ID card.
>>
>> The difficulty with that, is when the organisation requires some
>> credentials that don't appear on the National ID card. For example,
>> being a member of a particular trade union to get a discount at a  
>> shop.
> Is that identity?  How about an assertion, made against the ID card,  
> and
> verified by the union (who care) against the message the shop sends to
> them?
>
>> Or you would to have to "preregister" and have a separate database  
>> where
>> that additional credential was logged and indexed by ID card number.
> This seems in many ways sensible, if one accpted first that to have a
> national identity card was sensible, and workable.
>
>
> If, as I say, the latter assertions are correct, and the State  
> wishes to
> provide an identification service to its citizens, residents and  
> visitors.
>
> I'm not convinced it does, or it would have approached it in some
> fashion like this.
>
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