Who will accept ID cards?

[Adrian Midgley]

Roland Perry wrote:

>> a.  It shall be an offence to request any other or additional form of
>> identification if a national ID card is presented.
> 
> That sounds quite interesting, but it's a very wide landscape.
> 
> At one end, there might be some cases where a passport is needed
> (especially for resident aliens), and do you really want to obsolete
> Police warrant cards?

I do not see why a passport would be needed after it had been used, at
entry, to get an identity card.

I think probably, yes.
Endorse the ID card, electronically or physically, with the added status .


> At the other end, there are specialist ID cards eg required for
> buying/using a railway season ticket, 

I think that the season ticket is a ticket.
If it refers to identity, then it refers to an identity card.

> a card that allows admittance to
> where you work (including NHS staff), 
I think that is a key, if it is automagic, and in which case giving the
lock a list of ID cards to let in would be as sensible as having a
separate swipe card.

If it is not automagic, then we know rather well that the identity is
not checked meaningfully beyond the actual holding in the had of a card
with the NHS Logo on it.

> or is shown by the man reading the
> gas meter (which generally requires that you can tell they work for the
> gas company rather than what their names is).
Indeed, what their name is is essentially irrelevant, so in what sense
is what they need to show an identity card?  A token asserting that
citizen 9876543210 is a gas meter reading is a useful thing, to the
extent that we believe it is reliable, and to the extent that we have
something which we recognise which tells us that the person here is
citizen 9876543210

>> b.  It shall be an offence to fail to provide a service or good
>> requiring identification for the reason that the uidentifiation offered
>> is a national ID card.
> 
> The difficulty with that, is when the organisation requires some
> credentials that don't appear on the National ID card. For example,
> being a member of a particular trade union to get a discount at a shop.
Is that identity?  How about an assertion, made against the ID card, and
verified by the union (who care) against the message the shop sends to
them?

> Or you would to have to "preregister" and have a separate database where
> that additional credential was logged and indexed by ID card number.
This seems in many ways sensible, if one accpted first that to have a
national identity card was sensible, and workable.


If, as I say, the latter assertions are correct, and the State wishes to
provide an identification service to its citizens, residents and visitors.

I'm not convinced it does, or it would have approached it in some
fashion like this.


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