Out-Law newsletter says IWF "was wrong to lift its ban on a Wikipedia page"

[Richard Clayton]

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In article <877i51vdq4.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>, Florian Weimer
<fw@deneb.enyo.de> writes

>* Richard Clayton:
>
>>>So how do we get illegal content off the Internet if the criminals are
>>>service providers themselves?
>>
>> The immunities that ISPs (and other intermediaries) are given don't
>> apply if they're generating the content themselves
>
>If you tweak traceroutes and BGP paths (you can always make the path
>longer; I'm not saying this has happened yet),

There's a standard tool for rigging traceroutes ...  you'll find
discussed in my PhD thesis :)

> it will appear as if
>you aren't hosting or generating the content.

If someone wants to know if you're hosting the content they won't do a
traceroute !  They'll examine the source address of packets and then
look that up in the databases maintained by the regional registries...

... in the unlikely event that things don't match up then the various
recorded states for the global routing table will be consulted (Nick
Weaver et al found some evidence a few years back of spam sending
wickedness associated with short-lived routes, but it doesn't seem to be
common). There's also been some occasional problems with "borrowed" IP
address space -- again see my thesis for collected details

>  In these cases, you
>need to look at the actual traffic and wiring to find out what's
>really going on.  

Everybody looks at the traffic anyway ! (leastwise if they were paying
any attention when they were trained [sometimes, in the UK, by me!])

>I don't think it makes sense to refrain from doing
>this just because ISPs allegedly have immunity.

- -- 
richard                                              Richard Clayton

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Benjamin Franklin

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