What do you think about communications data collection and storage?
David Biggins
ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:09:04 +0100
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Oh great.
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So either small providers are to have their margins eroded by the (to
them) comparatively high cost of storing such data, or the system is to
be rendered meaningless by the bad people switching to small providers
that are don't hold it. =20
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Certainly any government funding provided will without doubt go to the
usual major corporates rather than to any small businesses.
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Simon lists the usual fear factors are all listed in full I notice, but
gives privacy barely a nod.
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The claim is made that this legislation is "to allow communications
service providers (CSPs) to collect and keep information" when of course
the word is not "allow" - it is "COMPEL".=20
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And CSPs are to "organise" the data, whatever that means....
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"Doing nothing is not an option" - strangely the only thing that ever IS
an option to this government is the continual increase of surveillance
and data retention.
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D.
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From: ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk
[mailto:ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk] On Behalf Of Watkin Simon
Sent: 27 April 2009 11:38
To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Subject: What do you think about communications data collection and
storage?
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We want your opinion on how public authorities should be allowed to
collect and store essential communications information in order to
prevent crime, and catch and prosecute criminals. =20
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We've launched a consultation that suggests new ways for phone companies
and internet service providers to collect and store data. The
information they collect helps us catch criminals, find missing people
and protect children from paedophiles.
The consultation, called 'Protecting the public in a changing
communications environment' aims to find the right balance between
privacy and security by suggesting ways to maintain our ability to
collect and store communications data. It explicitly rules out setting
up a single storage place for all communications data.
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Instead, it suggests that we legislate to allow communications service
providers (CSPs) to collect and keep information, including
communications data from third parties, which might be needed by police
and other public authorities. It also suggests that CSPs organise this
data, so that police, security services and other law enforcement
agencies can access the information they need more quickly and easily.
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http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news/communications-data-consultat
ion
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Simon Watkin
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>Oh great.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So either small providers are to have their margins =
eroded by
the (to them) comparatively high cost of storing such data, or the =
system is to
be rendered meaningless by the bad people switching to small providers =
that are
don’t hold it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Certainly any government funding provided will without =
doubt go
to the usual major corporates rather than to any small =
businesses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Simon lists the usual fear factors are all listed in full =
I
notice, but gives privacy barely a nod.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The claim is made that this legislation is =
“</span><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>to allow =
communications
service providers (CSPs) to collect and keep information” =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>when
of course the word is not “allow” – it is =
“COMPEL”.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And CSPs are to “organise” the data, whatever =
that
means....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“Doing nothing is not an option” – =
strangely the
only thing that ever IS an option to this government is the continual =
increase
of surveillance and data retention.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk
[mailto:ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Watkin Simon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 April 2009 11:38<br>
<b>To:</b> ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk<br>
<b>Subject:</b> What do you think about communications data collection =
and
storage?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>We
want your opinion on how public authorities should be allowed to collect =
and
store essential communications information in order to prevent crime, =
and catch
and prosecute criminals. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>We’ve
launched a consultation that suggests new ways for phone companies and =
internet
service providers to collect and store data. The information they =
collect helps
us catch criminals, find missing people and protect children from =
paedophiles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The
consultation, called ‘Protecting the public in a changing =
communications
environment’ aims to find the right balance between privacy and =
security
by suggesting ways to maintain our ability to collect and store =
communications
data. It explicitly rules out setting up a single storage place for all =
communications
data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Instead,
it suggests that we legislate to allow communications service providers =
(CSPs)
to collect and keep information, including communications data from =
third
parties, which might be needed by police and other public authorities. =
It also
suggests that CSPs organise this data, so that police, security services =
and
other law enforcement agencies can access the information they =
need
more quickly and easily.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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href=3D"http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news/communications-data-co=
nsultation">http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news/communications-dat=
a-consultation</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Watkin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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OFFICE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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