Police control of classified information

Ian Batten ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:54:41 +0100


On 23 Apr 09, at 1527, Roland Perry wrote:

> In article <49F08315.10679.17EDFCE@davidh.spidacom.co.uk>, David  
> Hansen <davidh@spidacom.co.uk> writes
>>> The people apparently [merely] "face being deported", presumably  
>>> after
>>> they've been re-evaluated as holders of a student visa (the rules  
>>> having
>>> been recently tightened I think).
>>
>> If there is any evidence against them it should be exposed to public
>> scrutiny, so we can judge the veractiy of the assertions.
>
> The evidence that I'm suggesting might be needed is "whatever would  
> qualify them for a student visa under the new rules".

It's also worth noting that the burden of proof is completely  
different.  Criminal charges require the state to prove beyond  
reasonable doubt.  Visa applications require either the applicant to  
prove their bona fides to an arbitrary standard (if the presumption is  
not to admit) or at the most challenging for the government requires  
them to disprove the applicant's bona fides on the balance of  
probabilities.  So it's perfectly possible to have people who can't be  
charged with a meaningful chance of conviction but can be entirely  
legitimately deported.

ian