Police drop BT-Phorm probe
Peter Fairbrother
ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:00:19 +0100
Nicholas Bohm wrote:
> Peter Fairbrother wrote:
>> El Reg
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/22/bt_phorm_police_drop/
>>
>> "One of the main reasons for this decision is the lack of Criminal
>> Intent on behalf of BT and Phorm Inc in relation to the tests."
>>
>> Would interception be an offence of strict liability? Shouldn't it be?
>
> No, I think it needs the ordinary mens rea of intending to do the acts
> that constitute the relevant parts of the offence. Very few offences
> (if any) require an intent that a crime be committed, and this certainly
> isn't one of them. So this "no intent" point reveals the very dimmest
> possible failure to engage brain before operating wordprocessor.
>
>> If so, is a lack of criminal intent irrelevant? And once it has been
>> pointed out that an act is an offence - as is implicit in basing the
>> decision not to proceed on a lack of criminal intent - can they go
>> ahead and do it again?
>>
>>
>> "It is also believed that there would have been a level of implied
>> consent from BT's customers in relation to the tests, as the aim was
>> to enhance their products."
>>
>>
>> That sounds very thin indeed - and ignores the requirement for consent
>> from the web page owners.
>
> "Implied consent" requires some circumstance which implies something
> about the customer's state of mind, and clearly cannot be present where
> the customer knew nothing about what BT was doing and cannot therefore
> (e.g. by not objecting) be supposed to have consented or given even a
> hint of any attitude at all. This is a very bad point, even if you
> ignore the dual consent requirement.
>
> This police response is just cretinous. I would have a lot more time
> for them if they said, "Yes, well, there do seem to have been offences,
> at least arguably; but there's some tricky law in there (namely RIPA
> s3(3)) which would mean expensive lawyers and might mean appeals, and
> almost no real harm was done (though we can see a few people were messed
> about a bit); and BT almost certainly won't do the same thing again if
> they deploy with customer consent. So it's not really right for us to
> spend public money on it, it's a matter for regulators rather than the
> police, or for private parties to spend their own money on." I wouldn't
> agree with this, but it would at least be honest and to the point.
>
> Nick
Would this then be a suitable case for judicial review?
-- Peter Fairbrother