BT claim Privacy International back Phorm

[Andrew Cormack]

And the BT press office should read "Eats, Shoots and Leaves". I'm sure
they didn't mean to say that they only have one customer, unless the
fuss has been more effective than we know ;-)

Andrew

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> Simon D really should make things clearer to his clients, I suggest.
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> George Boyce=20
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> I expect this to be moderated very quickly, but here goes anyway.
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> Peter N wrote:
> Details are starting to emerge proving that 82/20 Thinking -=20
> after being paid by Phorm to scruitinise their privacy and=20
> security claims - did not give their approval despite=20
> BT/Phorm's attempts to imply that all was well. Details here=20
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7303426.stm>  courtesy=20
> of the BBC News website.
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> BT/Phorm previously tried to claim that they had received=20
> positive reports from Privacy International. They later=20
> backtracked on this when it was proven that the two people=20
> conducting the enquiry, although members of PI, where=20
> actually doing so in their capacity as directors of 80/20=20
> Thinking - private organisation who were paid to produce the report.
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> Interestingly enough, Peter, they are still claiming that=20
> Privacy International HAVE backed them. Here is a quote from=20
> a reply I received today from Ben Verwaayen's office to a=20
> complaint I made about this whole mess.
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> "Clearly our customer's privacy is extremely important to us.=20
> Information on users browsing is completely anonymous, it=20
> doesn't gather personally identifiable information, doesn't=20
> store URL's, IP addresses or retain browsing histories and=20
> the raw data used is deleted in real time - by the time the=20
> page loads. Webwise does not scan webmail pages so your=20
> emails on Gmail, Yahoo mail or Hotmail are not scanned.=20
> Secure pages like your banking websites and web forms like=20
> any online registration or sign-up forms are not scanned. No=20
> personal information often contained in form fields is=20
> therefore ever captured by the system. No data is passed=20
> outside of BT's network. Webwise privacy standards have been=20
> verified by external auditor Ernst & Young, Privacy=20
> International has also carried out a Privacy Impact=20
> Assessment. Of course BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media have all=20
> completed appropriate due diligence on Phorm, we also=20
> understand that other ISP's both in and outside of the UK are=20
> currently talking to them."
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> While I'm here, I should also mention what his office said=20
> about the cookies being planted on my PC at the start of=20
> every session, (see here:=20
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> here:http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/message.jspa?messageID=3D
> 14478#14478).
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> "Let me begin by first of all confirming that the service is=20
> not currently live so any cookies being dropped on to your=20
> computer haveabsolutely nothing to do with this."
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> This gets me wondering... if it's not Webwise putting the=20
> cookies there at the start of every browsing session, who is=20
> responsible for these cookies in the pic below?
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> http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dwebwisecrapbd5.jpg
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> I will be replying to Mr Verwaayen's representative asking=20
> for clarification of the Privacy International claim and=20
> asking who then they think is putting the cookies there, if=20
> it's not them. In the meantime, anyone with any thoughts on this one?
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> G.
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> Edited by: George Boyce on Mar 18, 2008 11:01 PM
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