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James Cox
ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:41:38 +0000
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On 30 Jan 2008, at 11:27, Ian Batten wrote:
>
> On 30 Jan 08, at 1113, James Cox wrote:
>
>> These clauses are really just about placating an outdated ideal
>> that kids don't have pre-marital/adult sex.
>
> Most GPs with such views make it perfectly obvious.
>
> It was amusing, albeit depressing, to ask biology teachers in
> schools we were looking at for our daughters what they did about
> teaching evolution. Several obviously assumed that anyone asking
> that question was a religious nutcase and gave complex answers about
> ``sensitive faith positions''. We crossed those schools off the
> list. I should have worn a cross around my neck to lure out a few
> more panderers.
>
> Similarly, I intend to quiz my GP about her attitude to prescribing
> contraception without parental consent, and if I get anything
> significantly different to ``we regard the confidentiality of
> Gillick-competent patients as absolute, and it's not our job to fix
> any problems you have communicating with your daughters'' I shall
> change doctor. The handy thing is that most people asking the
> question are the controlling religious types, so asking the question
> draws out both the moral-conservatives and the panderers. Again, a
> cross around my neck and ostentatiously displaying my wedding ring
> might help.
>
> I'd like to think that if my daughters went to get contraception I'd
> know, or my wife would, and I/we/she would have discussed it with
> them. If we didn't know, then it's not the doctor's role to tell
> us. That was the mystery in the Gillick case: she claimed that she
> enjoyed a perfect open relationship with her children, so what was
> her problem?
Interesting. Of course the litigious and competitive society we live
in means that schools must take the path-of-least-offence everywhere,
in the hope that you don't insult anyone. I'd make a similar comment
(in about 10 or more years when my potential future kids get to be of
an age where i get to ask such questions...) about standardized
testing and curriculum focused on knowledge and learning or passing
exams...
>> By the way - as an aside: if a twelve year old came into a GP's
>> practice and demonstrated a desire to begin a sexual relationship,
>> that they had knowledge etc, but were insistent not to discuss with
>> their parents - what would you do as the GP?
>
> I don't know, which is why I'm perfectly happy to be spending a day
> hooking an EMC array to a Sun to run Legato Networker on.
No kidding, but sometimes it's fun to play pretend every so often. :)
> At 12? the at-risk register beckons. At 14? Harder question.
Yeah. I think that's why the blanket parental-notification-required
policy came about - which of course was challenged down to the weak
ass position it's at now. Still, even the thought of a sexually active
14 year old scares me...
--james
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at 11:27, Ian Batten wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> <br><div><div>On 30 Jan 08, at =
1113, James Cox wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
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0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; ">These clauses are really just =
about placating an outdated ideal that kids don't have pre-marital/adult =
sex. </span></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Most GPs with such views =
make it perfectly obvious. </div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>It was amusing, albeit =
depressing, to ask biology teachers in schools we were looking at for =
our daughters what they did about teaching evolution. Several =
obviously assumed that anyone asking that question was a religious =
nutcase and gave complex answers about ``sensitive faith positions''. =
We crossed those schools off the list. I should have worn a =
cross around my neck to lure out a few more panderers. =
</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Similarly, I intend to =
quiz my GP about her attitude to prescribing contraception without =
parental consent, and if I get anything significantly different to ``we =
regard the confidentiality of Gillick-competent patients as absolute, =
and it's not our job to fix any problems you have communicating with =
your daughters'' I shall change doctor. The handy thing is that =
most people asking the question are the controlling religious types, so =
asking the question draws out both the moral-conservatives and the =
panderers. Again, a cross around my neck and ostentatiously =
displaying my wedding ring might help.</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I'd like to think that if =
my daughters went to get contraception I'd know, or my wife would, and =
I/we/she would have discussed it with them. If we didn't know, =
then it's not the doctor's role to tell us. That was the mystery =
in the Gillick case: she claimed that she enjoyed a perfect open =
relationship with her children, so what was her =
problem?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Interesting. =
Of course the litigious and competitive society we live in means that =
schools must take the path-of-least-offence everywhere, in the hope that =
you don't insult anyone. I'd make a similar comment (in about 10 or more =
years when my potential future kids get to be of an age where i get to =
ask such questions...) about standardized testing and curriculum focused =
on knowledge and learning or passing exams...</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 14px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: =
auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "> By the way - as an aside: if =
a twelve year old came into a GP's practice and demonstrated a desire to =
begin a sexual relationship, that they had knowledge etc, but were =
insistent not to discuss with their parents - what would you do as the =
GP? </span></blockquote><br></div><div>I don't know, which is why =
I'm perfectly happy to be spending a day hooking an EMC array to a Sun =
to run Legato Networker on. =
</div></div></blockquote><div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>No kidding, but sometimes =
it's fun to play pretend every so often. =
:) </div><div><br></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>At 12? the at-risk =
register beckons. At 14? Harder =
question.</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Yeah. I think that's =
why the blanket parental-notification-required policy came about - which =
of course was challenged down to the weak ass position it's at now. =
Still, even the thought of a sexually active 14 year old scares =
me...</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>--james</div><div><br></div>=
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