Chip and PIN
Ian Batten
ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:57:18 +0000
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> Those are not the same regulators. And the pressures on regulators
> are different where so many people have been defrauded;
If you believe endowment mortgages constitute `fraud' then I'm afraid
my black helicopter reference is bang on. Or, at best, you have to
believe that Ladbrokes are defrauding their customers when the
favourite doesn't come in first in the 3.10 at Kempton.
People had three choices: a repayment mortgage, which would repay
their mortgage. An endowment mortgage, which would repay their
mortgage and (almost certainly) provide a large tax-free lump sum on
top. And a low-cost endowment mortgage, which would repay their
mortgage if the investment gain in a fund they didn't manage was
sufficient, and provide a tax free lump sum if the investment gain
was even larger. It would, however, be cheaper than a full-cost
endowment.
Low-cost endowments been viable through the sixties and seventies
because interest rates were low, inflation was high and --- most
importantly --- life insurance premiums were tax-exempt. Once the
tax-relief was abolished, a repayment mortgage was barely more
expensive than an endowment mortgage, and sometimes cheaper. The
difference was a few percent at most. What attracted people to
endowments was greed: the thought that they would get something for
nothing, a tax-free bonus at the end of repaying a loan.
The bank I discussed this with in 1987 when I took out a mortgage
explained the options, and in common with a lot of people I was
greedy. I'd asked about the full-cost endowment option, so I could
hardly claim I didn't know I was betting.
By the mid-90s it was manifestly obviously that sustained 9% returns
on investment (or whatever my policy was predicated on) were
fantastical, so I remortgaged into a repayment mortgage. I've kept
the policy running --- it's now predicted to yield 16K on what was
originally a 26K mortgage --- to pay a bit towards the kids'
university fees. Moreover, had I _not_ done this, I would have been
short ten grand over twenty five years, or four hundred quid a year.
The repayments would have dropped like a stone over that time, as
when I took the mortgage out interest rates were about 12%.
So, I bet on the market, I'd have been short 400 quid a year and the
repayments have dropped by more than a thousand pounds a year. The
reason why the endowments have failed is that real interest rates are
lower than predicted, but that is accompanied by a drop in the
interest rate payable on the mortgage. The banks sold products
based on one perfectly valid set of assumptions: that the 1990s would
look like the 1970s and the 1980s. They were wrong. Anyone who lost
money on this must have spent the proceeds of falling interest rates
without giving any thought to the investment product sat behind their
mortgage: how careless.
How was this fraud? At the very most, it was misplaced optimism.
> they can't so easily marginalise the complainers as oddballs,
> freaks and liars. Millions of people *knew* they had been missold
> endowment mortgages,
No-one was ``missold''. They were greedy and bought financial
products they didn't understand. That's a shame. Maybe even the
banks should have spelt things out a bit more clearly (``investments
may go down as well as up, past performance is no guide to the
future''). But fraud? What was it about ``repayment mortgage''
that you didn't understand?
ian