"Warrants authorising phone taps treble"

[Peter Fairbrother]

Caspar Bowden wrote:
>> From: ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk
>> [mailto:ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Fairbrother
>>> Caspar Bowden wrote:
> ...
>>> (i.e. *if* CSPs happened to log full URLs or search strings, they
>>> are NOT obtainable as comms data. The IP/domain-name of the
>>> website fetched would be obtainable)
> 
>> I'm not entirely sure that wording works for search strings.
> 
>> First let me say I have no idea how Google actually works, except
>> that..
> 
> Search engines are "not postal and telecommunications operators", so
> they can't be served with Notices; 

I wasn't talking about serving Google with a notice, but instead about 
just how much information an ISP is required to give out when it is 
served with a notice. See my last post.

Once more, I may have been too terse. Please accept my apologies.

But afaict it doesn't matter whether the information is in the search 
string recorded at google or in the search string recorded at the ISP - 
because it will be available at the ISP.

but the Italian newspaper story I
> mentioned is about telcos and ISPs apparently logging URLs (including
> search strings) which pass through their systems.

Which ISPs also do in England, no?

> However, it's an interesting point that an Authorisation (rather than
> Notice) 

What's an "Authorisation" please? Or a "Notice"? Are they USA things?


-- Peter

ftdtt

could let agencies in a position to do so, get communications
> data by means other than ASKING a "telecommunications operator" for
> anything *they* have retained, and for lesser justification and much
> broader purposes than getting that data via an interception warrant.
> This was the old question of whether "black boxes" (and things have
> moved on since the Smith Report
> http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2006/04/12/the_secret_narus_spy_software_at_folsom_street.html)
> ostensibly intended for interception use, could lawfully be used to
> harvest traffic data also. I don't think that was ever denied ?
> 
> -- Caspar Bowden
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