cleanfeed and wikipedia

[Nicholas Bohm]

Roland Perry wrote:
> In article <4944366C.60109@ernest.net>, Nicholas Bohm <nbohm@ernest.net>
> writes
>>>
>>> So what would be a useful scheme to introduce more feedback into the
>>> system? It seems unlikely we could alter the way juries work, so that
>>> irrespective of the other decisions they were making they'd have to rate
>>> the pictures themselves.
>>
>> 1  It would be transparent of the IWF to explain the source of their
>> know-how on what is or is not indecent.
> 
> I don't believe that it's a secret that most of that know-how comes via
> CEOP (previously a more diverse set of law enforcement, but CEOP was
> designed to mop a lot of it up) and the CPS.

That should make transparency less painful.

>> 2  It would make the whole process more transparent for the IWF to
>> oblige ISPs to disclose when they were blocking on account of an IWF
>> decision.
> 
> The question is whether such extra transparency is desirable, perhaps
> not if it gives surfers a clue that they are "getting warm" when looking
> for material. But I've not been involved with the IWF since around the
> time the url-list was invented, so I can't claim to have all the
> conflicting arguments at my fingertips.

If Demon can do so can the rest.

>> 3  These two steps would have to potential to expose the IWF to more
>> responses from the general public about their work.  This is likely to
>> provide a beneficial increase in the variety of the input they get, as
>> compared with the advice of the "professionals" on an issue which is
>> essentially about a moving target, namely current social values.
> 
> Most of the controversy seems to revolve around the "lower end of level
> 1", we mustn't forget that there's a lot of level 2-5 material around as
> well. Do you think you could persuade the politicians to declare all of
> "level 1" not a problem after all?

I doubt it - not enough votes there.

Nicholas
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