cleanfeed and wikipedia

[Nicholas Bohm]

Roland Perry wrote:
> In article <49437CE3.9646.54F0482@davidh.spidacom.co.uk>, David Hansen
> <davidh@spidacom.co.uk> writes
>>> No, as I've said countless times, it has to be indecent. The "posed and
>>> naked" simply positions it on a scale within the sentencing guidelines;
>>> *after* it has been tested for indecency.
>>
>> The image concerned is not indecent.
> 
> In your opinion. Different people will have different opinions,
> especially as we can all probably agree that if it were indecent it
> would be in the lowest sentencing category.
> 
>>> I've been trying quite hard not to go down an inevitably unproductive
>>> rathole over my personal views on this particular picture. However, the
>>> IWF has said they believe it's "potentially illegal",
>>
>> I can understand why those with a stake in IWF wish to avoid discussing
>> the issue directly.
> 
> And who do you know with a stake in the IWF that's not discussing the
> issue directly? The IWF themselves are sticking to their guns over their
> initial classification, and almost no-one else has been on the training
> course.

>From what has been said on the list, and from my discussions off the
list, my clear impression is that as regards the issue of whether
something is indecent or not, IWF analysts' training teaches them what
police and prosecutors think on that issue.  If this reflects the
decisions of juries, it does so at best indirectly;  and for the reasons
argued by Ian Batten (with whom I entirely agree on the point), in
practice not many jury decisions will illuminate the question of where
the line is to be drawn because of the ambiguity of most unreasoned
verdicts.

(Juries in criminal cases do not answer a series of questions, as a
coroner's jury may be required to do; they say "guilty" or "not guilty",
and don't explain why.)

Nicholas
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