Guardian: Privacy fear over (new) plan to store email etc --- effects on society

[Bettina Jodda (Twister)]

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On Thursday 22 August 2002 11:24, Casper Dik wrote:
> >When you take a look at the ideas of the data Europol wanted to store
> >www.stop1984.com/index2.php?text=letter_retained_data.txt
> >you find that the wish-list includes also
> >- - if someone else is paying your phone-bill
>
> Do they have any idea how many people have a phone line paid for by their
> office?  Does this go for mobiles as well? 

afair - yes.
http://www.stop1984.com/index2.php?text=letter_retained_data.txt&page=3
(there is an English version)
This is the "wish list" still - but in my humble opinion we are going straight 
forward to reach it.

 Or can we still have anonymous
> phones?  

Sad modus:
I do not actually think so.
I personally think that here in Germany for example we get more and more 
card-phones, there are hardly any phones with money (reason: they are being 
destroyed and the money is stolen)
So how long (if you take the recent ideas of data retention) will it take to 
make sure that any phone card shall have an ID-nr. and will only be available 
if you show your ID-card or your divers licence or similar?

The recent spotlight on "Terrorists using anonymous cell phones" or so is in 
my humble opinion a pointer to the fact that this will have to be used as a 
reason for making anonymously made phone calls hard to make.

What worries me is the following aspect on society:
imagine that your data will be stored for years (let us take 2 years for 
example)
you now have this cell phone and you know that any data will be stored and 
"could be used against you"
So know somebody next to you in the bus says: "Sorry, can I use your cell 
phone for a second? I will give you some money but there are no public phones 
in the area and I want to call my Dad to fetch me at the bus station because 
I am not feeling well"
So how long will it take until many people think "Well, this seems suspicious 
to me...why does she have no cell phone herself? And is it really her Dad?
What if she plans something illegal and this is the "code" for starting it? 
Will I not be to blame later because it was my phone?"

Paranoid maybe but hence that people are already saying "We would like to work 
for a human rights movement, but actually all we can do is sending money 
anonymously because we do not want to get involved...someone could find out 
our names and this might lead to disadvantages regarding our job etc."

Surveillance and censorship does not have to cover you 100% - a high 
percentage is already enough, the rest is done by fear and mistrust.

Twister

I seem to remember that they tried to find RAF/Bader Meinhof(sp?)
> terrorists in Germany by looking for homes with utility bills paid for by
> 3rd parties; all they found were "kept women".  Surely this information
> will be very valuable to tabloids :-)
>
> Will they now require ISPs to store all "TCP naked SYN" packets (web sites
> visited information is *not* otherwise available at ISPs)
>
> >And I would not say that I know who is in control in some years and which
> > kind of government we have.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Casper
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