FW: [Apc-euroir-ws] "RIP Act" could result in massive surveillance -- BBC

[Caspar Bowden]

> Roland Perry
...
> What he seemed to be saying as that a few "internal" messages=20
> would be intercepted accidentally along with some supposed=20
> larger bulk of external ones.=20

Lord Bassam sez: An INTERNAL communication--say, a message from London
to Birmingham--may be handled on its journey by Internet service=20
providers in, perhaps, two different countries outside the United=20
Kingdom"

> One can see the mechanism at=20
> play here. > For an individual, if all his email is done=20
> through Hotmail and most of his correspondents are in the UK,=20
> then it's more difficult to plead that a few internal=20
> messages would be gathered incidentally.

That wouldn't matter. An ordinary 8(1) named warrant is good for
internal and external of an individual (but see shenanigans about
"overlapping warrants"
http://www.fipr.org/rip/CertificatedAndOverlapping.htm).

Lord Bassam contd.=20
"Even after interception, it may not be practicably possible to
guarantee
to filter out all internal messages. ... Only some of these
will contain the originator and the intended final recipient. Without
this information it will not be possible to distinguish internal
messages from external"

So the question is whether it is practicable to determine if parts of a
UK-UK Hotmail message (POP3 or Web accessed) ARE parts of a Hotmail
message ?

Who sez what is practicable (I guess the TAB if it were done via
black-boxes?)?

Taking Bassam at his word, UK-UK Hotmail is INTERNAL, so they should be
discarded if they can be.

But for GCHQ's tapping, all they have to do is suck their cheeks when
the Commissioner comes calling, and mutter about the shocking price of
hardware and analyst time. Anyone take a wild guess at the ratio between
money spent on collecting the data vs. money spent on ensuring removal
of internal communications? On even whether any research has been done
on what is feasible ?=20

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