Wired: Echelon Furor Ends in a Whimper

[Owen Lewis]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk
> [mailto:ukcrypto-admin@chiark.greenend.org.uk]On Behalf Of Donald
> ramsbottom
> Sent: 06 July 2001 16:52
> To: ukcrypto@chiark.greenend.org.uk
> Subject: Re: Wired: Echelon Furor Ends in a Whimper
>
>

> Sure the US is not as pure as driven snow, but neither is anyone else.
>
> Nicaragua has been quoted, but look what the Spaniards did and before that
> the Maya and Toltecs.
>
> The Native Americans have been quoted, but what was done was pretty much
> standard Imperial policy of all of Europe at the time. The Indians
> themselves were not above Genocide.
>
> Uncle Sam does what he needs to. We belly ache because we used to and can
> no longer. The Germans used to be able to, can no longer but want to be
> able to do the same as the US. And the French, the dear dear French, have
> always done exactly what they wanted to, when they wanted to.
>
> We should not get all huffy, all Nations do it to all other Nations, its
> just that Uncle Sam is the biggest boy on the block and the rest do not
> like it, or want to be in his Gang, it makes them feel more important (or
> more accurately their "Leaders").
>
> So we all know Echelon exists, all "developed Countries" have their own
> version, and although we can take precautions to minimise its effect, most
> do not and we are not encouraged to as that would affect our own Gov's
> ability.

Amen, amen and amen

> So Owen, however un PC this is I stand with you to be shot at:)

Thank you. Truth is as one finds it. It should not be malleable according to
fashion, whim or to gain some advantage. Of course, a good lawyer
understands that perfectly :) Sadly, this is a far from perfect world- but
it has some smashing things in it.


Owen